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keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Technically you are correct given the current EU > blackmail. However I think you?ll find the EU will > be begging for deals with us if we go WTO. :) Put the Brexit Koolaid down keano, you're spewing up vacuous tropes again...''they need us more than we need them''...''the Germans will give us a deal because we buy their BMWs''...''ditto the French and their wine''...''ditto the Italians and their Prosecco''....''It'll be the easiest deal in history''...

Keano has previously stated he voted for his 'idea' of Leave, and I don't think I'm wrong in saying he's not particularly enamoured with May's 'idea' of Leave, i.e her negotiated WA. Throw in all the other 'ideas' of Leave that have been mentioned pre and post referendum such as Norway, EFTA, Canada+ and so on, and it's quite clear that saying ''Leave means Leave'' means all things to all people, yet ultimately nothing at all, in essence just another vacuous soundbite...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I really hate the traitor remarks but this is > actually a really stupid story and it's a little > sad that the guy might now lose his job or get a > warning. I don't think Femi was that bothered by > the sound of it. Bothered enough to post about it. You're too soft John, regardless of which side that guy was on, it's not a good look for Kings, a warning is the minimum he should get...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I still think the BXP polls are overestimated. I > may have to eat my words. Recent polls have shown them to have a 18-21% lead, but also a 3-5% lead, I expect the final result to be somewhere in the middle, well short of the referendum 52%...

I've decided I'm going to ignore the advice of any pro-EU tactical voting sites. Firstly the polls are all over the place, thus not convinced that any advice will be accurate enough. Also, what advice I have seen for London says that the Lib Dems and Greens have comfortably enough votes to secure seats, but in order to take a seat away from the BP, there's a better chance of doing that by voting for Change UK. Fine, but what if too many people switch to Change, isn't there a danger of undermining the so-called secure seats? Because the Remain vote is going to be split regardless, I think this vote is more to do with votes cast in total rather than actual seats gained, as people will inevitably tot up the pro and anti Brexit votes. So I'm going to stick with my initial thought that I'll vote for the Lib Dems, they have been consistently anti-Brexit, and they also have the best chance of finishing above Labour and thereby giving Corbyn and his Lexiter cabal a bloody nose. With a bit of luck May won't be the only leader getting the spanish fiddler this summer...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hemingway Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > - they are bad/evil (sociopathic is now their > > favourite criticism of opponents) > > - Thick/stupid misled by sinister puppetmasters > > and the 'mainstream Media' Murdoch etc, etc > > No - It's just money and fame IMHO. The Alt > Right at the moment is the quickest way up the > ladder so the ambitious choose it. The people > supporting it don't believe it - they're what is > now called "Grifters" I'm not sure they don't believe in it, but they are definitely doing it for attention/money. Here's a grifter in action, nothing more than trolling/bullying, I actually feel sorry for the Brexit supporting MP who supposed to be on their side, but it looks like he's not Brexity enough...https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1130940872445579264

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Farage is an opportunist charlatan with a complete > disregard for electoral funding law. And in spite > of never having himself been an MP, has caused > more chaos in Parliament than any politician in > living memory. A truly self serving snake oil > salesman of the worst kind. Man of the People PayPal...

Farage's authoritarian mask slips, banning Channel 4 from Brexit Party events after their expos? that Farage is Arron Banks' bitch to the tune of ?450k...

*Coughs...*

What happened to Bonne Bouffe?...

No room for all the past winners, so he's a roll call since we started... 2012/13 - Red Devil - 249pts (this was pre-Predict Addict, I think with a different scoring system) 2014/14 - Rhinestone Cowboy - 270pts 2014/15 - Park Drive - 262pts 2015/16 - Park Drive - 253pts 2016/17 - Red Devil - 303pts 2017/18 - Park Drive - 292pts 2018/19 - Jah Lush - 295pts

Farage is getting away with not having a manifesto for the Euros as it's seen as a single issue i.e. referendum 2.0, but Brexit if it happens will impact on every aspect of our lives. If only there were more journalists out there asking the Brexit Party challenging questions... The awkward & revealing pause is back on @BBCr4today thanks to top questioning by @rosschawkins. ?Which bit of EU law is stopping us improving education or tackling child poverty?? he asks Brexit Party candidate in Peterborough by-election. Cue pause. A long one.

There's a video on this page explaining how it works... /forum/read.php?20,1833347,2026342#msg-2026342

Great to hear from you Jah. Cowboy did a runner with the trophy, last seen legging it to Dagenham, so you'll have to make do with this...

I don't think you can say any party has a monopoly on manifesto integrity, honesty etc. There was a panel discussion on last night's Newsnight about manifestos in light of the Brexit party not having one, asking were they needed, especially as there's a modern day perception that all parties never keep their promises. An important point was made that regardless whether manifesto promises are kept, they at least provide a benchmark by which to judge politicians against, otherwise they would have free reign to do what they like without any recall. That's how authoritarian regimes operate, so no surprise Farage should go down that route. There are good examples whereby the public have punished a party for not delivering on their flagship pledges, the Lib Dems learnt an especially harsh lesson over student loans, and the Tories are suffering now over their failure to deliver Brexit. Likewise a party that has delivered on flagship pledges such as Blair's minimum wage and the Surestart programme, convincingly won a second term...

This is a YouGov poll for London, figures in brackets 2014 Euro Elections... Labour 24% (36%) Brexit 20% (UKIP 16%) LD 17% (7%) Green 14% (9%) Con 10% (22%) And for a GE, figures in brackets poll taken last Dec... Labour 35% (49%) Con 23% (33%) LD 21% (11%) Brexit 10% (UKIP 3%) Green 7% (3%)

It's not unreasonable to ask questions whether his past politics are reflected in his current politics, i.e. has this particular leopard changed his spots? Apparently not...

Yes, congrats to Jah, consistently each season has always got one of the fewest amounts of incorrect outcomes but kept missing out by not getting enough correct results, which he did this season. Winner's speech Jah? You must be gagging to talk about Spuds too :) Thanks to everyone for taking part, see you all in August... Week 34 points... Week 34 table...

You also have to factor in the 'Farage Paradox', very popular with his former UKIP base as the BP polling shows, but equally revulsive to the rest of the country. Even if the 34% BP polling figure was accurate, who are the other 18% of referendum Leave voters voting for? The Euros are a protest vote, a free hit, May's deal is unpopular, yet a large proportion of Leave voters can't bring themselves to vote for Farage. The best tactic the official Leave campaign employed during the referendum was to sideline him, they would never have won with Farage at the helm...

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Farage currently has more points than labour and > Tories. Only according to one poll, whereas this poll has BP and Labour quite close and is more in keeping with recent polls, which suggests the BP 'surge poll' is an outlier... European Parliament voting intention: BREX: 27% (-1) LAB: 25% (-1) LDEM: 14% (+3) CON: 13% (-1) GRN: 8% (+2) CHUK: 6% (-2) UKIP: 3% (+1) via @ComRes, 09 May Chgs. w/ 07 May

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I understand your views are sincerely held DR. > > However the Brexit divide is becoming irrelevant > as the debate has now morphed into one questioning > the very nature of democracy in this country and > the suitability of our institutions. A second > referendum will only add fuel to the fire. Let?s > hope it doesn?t become a firestorm. As I said earlier, we could've left the EU by now and therefore honoured the referendum result, were it not for the hardline Breziters. It all rings rather hollow hearing Brexiters say that democracy hasn't been upheld when Brexiters have voted down a deal to leave the EU...

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To use some Remainer logic (sic) if Man City and > Liverpool both win tomorrow and City get 98 points > to Liverpool?s 97, City should not be crowned > Champions because of the narrow majority and > because Liverpool fans won?t like the result. Remainers don't want a second referendum because it was a close win for Leave, many including myself would've accepted a Brexit that reflected the closeness of the vote, i.e. a soft Brexit. But Brexiters became greedy, totally ignored Remainers and proceeded to shift the goalposts towards a hard Brexit/No Deal. Neither of these were what was offered by the Leave campaign. We were told there would be a deal, that we would be no worse off than we are in the EU, that the NHS would get ?350m/week, that Brexit would reduce immigration etc etc etc. Then there's the whole issue of the Irish border and Good Friday Agreement which was conveniently swept under the carpet during the campaign and ignored until the 11th hour during negotiations. Brexiters have had 3 years to come up with a consensus and have failed miserably, they promised something that has proved to be undeliverable, and in the process have shown themselves to be nothing but a bunch of charlatans and snake oil salesmen. That's why Remainers, and some Leave voters, now want a second referendum...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > E.U. Rules once again stipulates that the U.K has > to take part. Yep, holding democratic elections really sucks. Of course no one forces the various parties to partake in them, they choose to do so of their own free will, just like our own general/council elections. > It will cost the U.K. ? Millions ++ which is a > total waste of money. A drop in the ocean compared to the ?600m a week Brexit has so far cost the county. > The U.K. WILL be leaving the E.U eventually and > elected MEP's will be defunct. I'm afraid your 'will' needs to be replaced with 'might' until there is a parliamentary consensus for passing the agreed WA. Changing the PM won't change the WA or the maths of Parliament, and no Tory leader in their right mind would call a general election, so under the Fixed Term Parliament Act it's more likely that this impasse will drag on until 2021, when we're looking at another hung parliament probably with a Labour Gov, and they will only be able to strike a deal with Remain supporting parties, and we all know what they will insist on. The big delicious irony of all this is that it's been Brexit MPs that have actually stopped us from leaving...

The People's Vote campaign has published a list of parties that pass it's 'People's Vote Test', bizarrely this includes the Labour Party. Don't be fooled by this. Labour has just published it's European manifesto and it's first priority is to deliver a Brexit ''along the lines of our alternative plan''. Failing that it's next priority is a general election. And failing both, ''the option of a public vote''. Note the use of the words ''the option of'', they're there for a reason, a convenient get out clause. Also there is no confirmation that Remain must be on the ballot of a public vote. As a lifelong Labour voter in general elections who's also a Remainer, I'm afraid there's no choice but to vote for a party that unequivocally wants to Remain, and that isn't Labour. Therefore a clear message needs to be sent to Corbyn and his Lexiteer henchmen...