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TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Becuase, a recession is a temporary hardship, and > this was a vote which I viewed through a 50+ year > lens. Depends how you define 'temporary'. We're still suffering the hardship of the 'credit crunch' recession of 10 years ago. A No Deal Brexit would compound that...

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...keep our ?49bn, get our dignity back, grasp the > opportunities that arise and do trade deals > elsewhere. Great idea Trinny, I can see you've really thought this through. Let's default on our financial commitments with the EU and strike up new financial commitments with other countries. What could possibly go wrong? Try getting a mortgage when you've previously defaulted on a mortgage. Good luck with that. > It is what the country voted for in the > referendum. But no, the Westminster elite want to > duck and dive and arrive at fudge. Except No Deal wasn't mentioned pre-referendum, quite the opposite in fact, the official Leave campaign said there would be a deal. What you write is a perfect example of what I wrote earlier in the week about Brexiters constantly moving the goalposts...

That's all well and good Gardenman, but how far should I cut back my Buddleia knowing there might be a cold snap coming, is the real dilemma. Are you going to post your useful tips this year?...

Week 20 fixtures... Saturday 19th January Wolverhampton Wanderers v Leicester City AFC Bournemouth v West Ham United Liverpool v Crystal Palace Manchester United v Brighton & Hove Albion Newcastle United v Cardiff City Southampton v Everton Watford v Burnley Arsenal v Chelsea Sunday 20th January Huddersfield Town v Manchester City Fulham v Tottenham Hotspur

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It wouldn't have made a difference - we have been > thwarted by lack of ability to negotiate a > position for UK and not surrender leverage. We > were in a strong position to leave and get a > decent deal. That ship sailed with May's red lines...rinse and repeat

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Peta Credin actually completely nails it. > > > 40364289?lang=en What utter, utter tosh, more unicorns shitting rainbows, except with an Aussie accent...:)

At least someone in No. 10 can see the funny side...

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Two years ago there was talk of engaging highly > experienced trade negotiators from Canada who had > spent the previous 5 years negotiating with the EU > on a trade agreement. Instead we sent in a bunch > of raw recruits who were totally out manoeuvred by > Barnier. We already have a Canadian BoE chief, so > why not a trade negotiator. I'm not convinced having expert negotiators would've helped as there was no plan from the Brexiters. I don't think the EU outmanoeuvred the UK either, the EU have been transparent and consistent about their standpoint from day 1. It's what tends to happen when you negotiate with a rules based organisation, everything is there to see. The EU were never going to compromise their 4 freedoms. The problem has been May's red lines compromised those freedoms and subsequently boxed her in during the negotiations...

''There won't be a snap General Election''...:)

This is very interesting, this article is saying that the EU can unilaterally offer the UK an extension to A50. It would then be up to the UK whether to accept it or not. Might be a way for May to save face by not being seen to go back to the EU with cap in hand for an extension, and continue trying to sell her deal...https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1085937231540436993

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mr Corbyn has written a letter telling all Labour > Members of Parliament telling them not to speak to > Mrs May until she takes no deal off the table. > Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper still attended today > in there capacities of chairpersons of cross > parliamentary committees. > > In some ways I agree with him as she's acting > deplorably but we're all meant to communicate to > improve things. No Deal can't be 'taken off the table' unless there is an alternative with a HoC majority. Sulking in the corner after his pasting from Gove and not talking to the Gov, isn't going to get us that alternative, and the clock is ticking, fast. I suspect him and his disaster-socialism cabal already know that. Hopefully MPs on all sides will soon take control from both incompetent 'leaders'...#ledbydonkeys

You always have a large chunk of the voting population who for whatever reason don't bother to vote. I don't think even Blair's landslide of '97 could claim to have the 'will of the people' when you base it as a percentage of the total voting population. I think you need to be getting towards a 'super majority' of around 66% i.e two thirds of those that voted, before anyone can claim 'the will of the people'. It's been used as a catchy soundbite by the Gov to justify the catastrofuck we find ourselves in ...

He has admitted in the past he was "not keen" on holding an EU referendum and had only gone along with it to support Mr Cameron. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46039623

This weeks political buzz word...pivot

Talk of the Devil Farage, more of this please journos...https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1085541173840789504

Week 19 points... Week 19 table...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cross Party Talks without Corbyn hmmm. > > They may not like each other much but that isn't > going to work (May seems to want to peel away > Yvette Cooper and the heads of committees) It would help if Corbyn had a Brexit policy to discuss...

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If I was a betting man, I know where I would put > my money. Go on, you know you want to...https://twitter.com/ChrisJones_1/status/1085518256792834049

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It would be ludicrous for her to forced out or > call a 2nd Ref. Extremely unlikely she will lose a No-Confidence vote brought about by the opposition. The only reason I can see that happening is if No Deal looked very likely to happen unless the Gov was brought down...(Opinion) She also can't be forced out by her own party. After winning the confidence vote brought about by her own party, they're stuck with her as leader for the next 12 months...(Fact) > A General Election would also not > serve any purpose other than to create more > instability. These would only delay the inevitable > fact that a decision needs to be made and that is > to exit the EU. That isn't a 'fact', it's your opinion...

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah, says Farage who has never had to actually > form policy, lead a party in actual power, or in > any way be responsible for anything other than > protesting against existing situations. > > Easy to yell when you aren?t the one having to > make decisions. He?s never had to make any > decision of consequence in his political life. Instead of wheeling him out for jingoistic soundbites, journalists should be taking him to task as to how he managed to lead a party who's sole aim was to leave the EU, yet never had a plan as to how that would be implemented. Ditto the DUP saying they want a hard Brexit but no hard border, the two are incompatible. Whichever Labour 'strategist' came up with the plan of ''we'll keep triggering no confidence motions in the Gov until we get an election'', needs to take a look at a calendar...

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No Deal isn?t just the legal default; it?s now the > preferred option of most Leave voters, when > compared to May?s Deal. That's an important caveat, every option becomes the preferred option when up against May's deal. I suppose we should be grateful she's managed to unite the country on at least one thing. The latest YouGov poll taken a few days ago with a 25,000 sample, shows Remain at 58% v No Deal at 42%. > FOM is a red line for > many, many Leave voters and they will happily > swallow anything in order to stop it. May and > Corbyn both know that to oppose them is suicide at > a GE. That's a common perception but I've seen a few post-ref surveys that don't back it up. I recall one that said FOM/immigration was 5th on the list of people's concerns, I think the economy was top. This survey...https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/10/freedom-of-movement-theresa-may-immigration ...reports that ''just 31% of leave voters want a sharp reduction in EU immigration'', that's 31% of 52%, just over 15%, not such a big number when you break it down. Incidentally, that's around the figure UKIP was polling in the 2015 GE. > (The fact that non-EU immigration is rising seems > to be ignored...) Yep, it's definitely a strange one. To me immigration/FOM was a convenient stick with which to hit the EU, nothing more. > To revoke A50 will be similar suicide, so they > aren?t going to do that either. My point is they may have no other choice if they want to avoid the legal default of No Deal. Avoiding No Deal is the one option where there's actually a clear majority in the HoC. Personally I think A50 will be extended because it's a continuation of the 'kicking the can down the road' strategy, but the EU will want a genuine reason to do that. > I?m starting to think it?ll be a snap GE or No Deal. Only Corbyn wants an election. If he puts in a 'No Confidence' vote after May's deal sinks tonight, he will get beaten. His best chance of success would be if he offered Tory Remainers a 2nd ref as part of a GE deal, otherwise they will vote for the Tories to stay in power. DUP would never side with him for obvious reasons, plus they won't want give up all the control and power they currently have...

Although a staunch Remainer (hardened after May's red lines), I, and I suspect a lot of Remainers, would've initially accepted a Brexit that reflected the closeness of the vote, i.e. something akin to the Norway deal, whereby we keep the benefits of being in a CU, thus solving the Irish border problem, and also maintain FOM. But Brextremists like Johnson and Davis got greedy, egged on by a frothing right wing press, and pressured May into her Mansion House speech and those red lines. Add in triggering A50 without a plan, then losing her majority at the snap GE, we have ended up in the mess we have. All of their own doing. Meanwhile, the Brextremists have continued to move the Brexit goal posts so that they're now on a completely different pitch with talk of No Deal. This was never the form of Brexit that was proposed pre-referendum, so it's unacceptable to propose it now, and hopefully Parliament will ensure it never happens. However, it's the legal default if May's fudge deal is rejected as seems likely, so the only way out of this impasse is to revoke A50. There isn't enough time to do anything else. There's talk about extending A50 to July, but the EU have previously indicated that they would only do that for a genuine reason such as a GE or 2nd ref, not to carry on kicking the can down the road. Until Brexit came along the world saw us as a sensible, pragmatic nation, we could do with some of that now...

When I first had my garden I invested in this RHS book, it's a great month by month guide of what tasks need doing, when to buy certain plants/veg etc... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gardening-Through-Year-Month-month/dp/1405347392 I decided that growing from seed would be too troublesome not having a greenhouse, and prefer to buy young plants from one of the local garden centres (Nunhead, North Dulwich and West Dulwich). I buy the odd packet of seeds that you can sow directly into the ground e.g. Cornflowers and Californian Poppies for summer flowering. If you like the idea of growing something in pots from scratch, Sweet Peas are easy, but again you will be able to buy a pot of young plants ready to plant out from a garden centre in a couple of months, just for a few quid. This time of year you can also plant summer flowering bulbs directly into the ground or tubs, e.g. Lillies and Gladioli. Spring flowering bulbs like Daffs and Crocuses are usually planted in the Autumn, although there are some late flowering varieties like Tulips that may be planted later. It pays to make regular visits to the garden centres as they are continually adding new stock as the seasons change, e.g. you will soon see Spring flowering plants, and in the Spring they start stocking up summer flowering plants, and so on. It's such a vast subject you just have to learn as you go along. Have fun whatever you decide to do...

This is a list of the items Sainsbury's are saying are on 'lockdown'... https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/new---trending/price-lockdown-all#langId=44&storeId=10151&catalogId=10123&categoryId=417393&parent_category_rn=355372&top_category=355372&pageSize=36&orderBy=FAVOURITES_ONLY%7CSEQUENCING%7CTOP_SELLERS&searchTerm=&beginIndex=0&hideFilters=true&facet= What you have to bear in mind with any savings a supermarket offers, is that some other products will go up in price to counter the savings. Supermarkets aren't in the business of giving away money...

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So we now have two threads with identical titles? Confucius says I'm confused...