Ladymuck

Dear dulwichmum, Joking aside... Cycling on footways is prohibited by Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888. This is punishable by a fixed penalty notice of ?30 under Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988. Assuming the cycling took place on a footway (a pavement at the side of a carriageway), as opposed to a cycle track, a pavement, a footpath, or highway, then, on the face of it, Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 appear to apply. Moreover, the legislation makes no exceptions for small wheeled or children's cycles, so even a child riding on a footway is breaking the law. However, when on 1st August 1999 new legislation came into force allowing a fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone breaching s72, the Home Office issued guidance on how the new legislation should be applied. It indicated that: it should only be used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others. Also, (cut and pasted from the internet): At the time Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating that: "the introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required." Almost identical advice has since been issued by the Home Office with regards the use of fixed penalty notices by CSOs and wardens. So Dulwichmum, you need to ask yourself: were your little poppet and au pair riding in a manner that may endanger others? If you believe they were not - then you could try appealing against the FPN...but hurry...there are usually deadlines in which to do so. Hope this helps. xx

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >as Huguenot points out, there is no motivation to change >out behaviour other than our own consciences... >plus I now cnsistently make stocks after all my > roasts and have even started buying trotters and > veg and stuff to make lots f stocks for my > freezer, best thing I've ever done, makes such a > difference to soups and risotto and stews!! > Well, if that isn't motivation...I don't know what is!

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > thexwinglessxbird Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > pin him down until I get there & I'll sit on his > face! > > If ever a post belonged in the Lounge's "Single > men in East D?" thread, this must surely be it! Now forgive me if I have got the wrong end of the stick here...but do you have the mind of a cesspit HAL9000? *absolutely ROARS with laughter*

Bluerevolution Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BTW Outragous has an E in it as in > Outrageous-teach your kids to spell better than > you please OP *tongue most firmly in cheek* Bluerevolution, I could be wrong here but I suspect that the "error" was a mere typo. I simply cannot imagine a woman of DM's breeding being unable to spell. Moreover, she would, almost certainly, have delegated the task of typing the OP to her Housekeeper. God forbid that those freshly varnished and beautifully manicured nails should get chipped. *tries very hard not to laugh*

thexwinglessxbird Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ladymuck, if he even tries to get rude with you, > pin him down until I get there & I'll sit on his > face! > > I'm ready for him! Oh my Lawd! He won't be expecting that!

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I had you down as an anti-nanny-state type > LadyMuck? Hmmmm...did you now... So, just to clarify (and to get back on topic!), the question in my OP (i.e. "Is legislation the only answer to stopping this kind of waste?"), was precisely that: a question. I genuinely don't know the answer. It was not intended to be a statement saying that we should definitely implement anti-food-waste measures via legislation (although circumstances may compel this in the future). >...I'm not sure where you would start with legislation, > and fairly sure that enforcing any legislation > would be time-consuming and expensive... Most legislation is lengthy in process (and therefore expensive) as it has to go through 3 Readings and a Committee Stage before it can receive the Queen's Royal Assent and become an Act. Given the urgency of the matter (i.e. EU targets on CO2 emissions), the Government would need to ensure that a Minister introduces a Government Bill (as opposed to another type of Bill) as these have the highest chance of being passed.

Sorry dulwichmum, but whilst I appreciate the humiliation you undoubtedly suffered, on this occasion, "it's a fair cop"...anyway, what's ?30 to a woman with your disposable income/capital...(rhetorical question) *shakes head and laughs*

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- we are a pompous > bunch of tosspots I must say. *raises voice* WE!? WE?! Pffft! *mutters under breath "pompous bunch of tosspots" indeed...hmmmph*

ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Will you be rummaging? What do you think? (*huge grin accompanied by a cheeky wink*)

hilarious

Thank you sophiesofa and SeanMacGabhann. Blimey you both (cross) posted only one minute after I did - how efficient of you both! Edited to say: I shall of course post the results of my "experience" on here as and when...

Sorry to veer off a bit...but where on LL is this shop? I need some thread, so I'd like to go there and experience the place for myself.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Legislation is always less effective than > challenging people's motivation... Whilst I agree that it is probably the case that the majority of citizens do not like to be dictated to...I do not believe that "Legislation is always less effective than challenging people's motivation". Anti-discrimination legislation (e.g. on sex and race) was, in my view, necessary in order to ensure a fairer deal for women and (e.g.) black people. As it is, it has not completely stopped discrimination on grounds of sex or race, but it has reduced it somewhat. Regarding the issue of food waste, the problem is not simply one of...you, Ladymuck, are wasteful because you threw away half a loaf of stale bread...it isn't that simple. Food waste has other consequences...e.g. the latest report by WRAP concludes that: "Throwing away food that could have been eaten is responsible for the equivalent of 20 million tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions every year ? that?s the same as the CO2 emitted by one in every four cars on UK roads. It?s not just the methane that?s released when the food goes to landfill that?s the problem, but also the energy spent producing, storing and transporting the food to us". The UK (in line with other EU countries) has EU targets to meet with regard to CO2 emissions. Can we realistically expect to see a reduction in waste sufficiently high enough to hit those targets without legislation?

Manchester

I've noticed TLS is back too.

Amigos

Reports over the last couple of years have consistently shown that we throw away around one third of the food that we buy. I find these statistics appalling on many levels. Is legislation the only answer to stopping this kind of waste?

karter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ladym, yes a good possibility, even though we have > other parties going on. Ooooh, how exciting...oh do come...(now don't make me beg)...and what about your lovely sister...will she attend too? Oh please say yes...xxxxx....I promise not to wear my wellies... >Why not bring hubby along? If only! He just isn't interested... Bye the way, Georgia mentioned that there's usually a DJ on a friday at Bohos. Does anyone know if there is a dancefloor? I fancy a good dance. > Or would you like my chaperone service again? > :).Don't think you need it though.;-) Well, I never like to burn my bridges...but hang on a mo, if I say yes...then you have to come (*laughs exceedingly mischievously*)

karter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boho is a nice bar and cosy, just like the Black > Cherry, who's going? Never mind who's going Karter...point is...are you? *cheekily nudges Karter and awaits reply*

leon parker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >...Louisa > am thinking next year we should get the whole of > the Lane closed off and make it for walking only. What an excellent idea!

ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > philip walker Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I might go in for a rummage just for a laugh. > > > We could organise a schedule, every 15 minutes or > so ALL DAY one of us goes in to rummage. > > He'd be in pieces. OH I'm up for that!! ruffers/philip walker you are a pair of devils!! (In a nice way). Oh we should do it... ha ha ha ha ha *pisses herself laughing*

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was also invited to take part but my cat is > under stress at the moment because of the new > carpet being laid in the hall, and the Feliway > diffuser designed to give out happy cat pheromones > is playing havoc with my lungs, so I also had to > decline.* Had I taken part I would have donned > my Nigella Lawson short cardi and wide belt, my > black Dominatrix wig like Ness in Gavin and > Stacey, and made a cheesy fish bake from the Dairy > Diary c.1990. For starters, some fruit and for > afters, some chocolate. I wouldn't have won but I > might have then been offered to be in How To Look > Good Naked, crying at myself in the mirror wearing > me five year old knicker and bra set from Primark > whilst being oh so grateful for the humiliation > situation yet to come. I'm a masochistic > exhibitionist. If people don't laugh and love me, > I get off. > > All the above other than my cat and my lungs is a > lie. *laughs tits off*

iaineasy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Got soeme great diced venison!! > Can't decide whether to make venison and red onion > pudding with sweed and fried shallot mash, > > or venison sweed and shallot pie with roast > seasonal vegetables and red wine gravy?? > What time would you like us round? *grins cheekily* Oh, and...err...yes, I would go for a casserole/stew type dish too (as it can be very dry otherwise)

Good News... thanks to: SeanMacGabhann's detective work, and Lou, and sillywoman's further assistance, Rebecca Gonde has now been found. Thanks to Mark of Admin too (who created this Forum and hence made this possible). That's what I call teamwork! xxxx

Well I find him funny...but then I'm easily amused! Hey ho...