Santerme

The hallmark of a civilized society is that we punish cruelty without practicing it

Interesting statistics since 1970 in the US 133 people have been totally exonerated of the crimes for which they had been previously sentenced to death. Only 1 in 700 murders result in a death sentence and only 1 in 325 result in the sentence being carried out.

woofmarkthedog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > daizie Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > im sorry too woof, really . Each crime is > > different . > > > Yes true but does killing someone repay society? > > No. Each persons death brutalizes us, we don't > step up we fall down. I have to applaud the grace of your position, woof. It gives comfort to know that humanity prevails in the face evil and loss.

Bill Richardson in New Mexico has it right, he has abolished the death penalty and made felony murder a life sentence without possibility of parole.

Atila Reincarnate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jeremy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The "waste of effort and money" is a red > > herring... for the tiny proportion of crimes > which > > would warrant a death sentence (e.g. in the > U.S.) > > I don't think it's going to make any difference > at > > all to the costs of the prison system. > > > > Some people are assuming that the parents would > > like to see the murderers killed... maybe they > do, > > who knows... but you shouldn't assume others > share > > your values. Not everybody is driven by > revenge. > > > I see the word revenge being tossed around as if > revenge against such barbric and heinous crimes > should never be considered. Well I tell you what > if I was unforunate enough to be in the shoes of > the parents of the students butchered by those > evil bastards, I'd want them to suffer EXACTLY the > same fate inflicted upon their victims. Yes it's > revenge yes it's tit for tat yes it's an eye for > an eye and I've no problem with that at all. I'm > F**king sick and tired of all the naval gazing > that goes on today, we hear so often about the > pontification of the liberal bleeding hearts who > bang on about the rights of the criminal and F**K > the victim, ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH. I ain't no > F**KING christian, nor do I believe in any other > doctrine, but I certainly ain't prepared to turn > the other F**KING cheek. Now to all of you who are > anti capital punishemnt accept there are more & > more people who want it brought back and the > numbers are growing. IF THIS MAKES UNCOMRTABLE > READING TOO F**KING BAD. Kill the c**ts and have > done with them, pieces of garbage that they are. I > make no apology for my views. Article 2 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union prohibits the practice of judical execution in time of peace, so however many people in the UK want to reinstate it, it isn't going to happen.

Definitely www.backstreets.com, the BTX bit, I don't need Huffpo or Drudge for my US left v right fistycuffs having delved in there for an hour.

Execution is legalised murder and it is not justice but revenege. I can fully sympathise with the emotion desire to kill an object of hatred. When you have disinterred families from mass or shallow graves and the occupants range from 9 months to 90 years, there is a point where someone saying the wrong word can trigger a pretty decisive response. When the men have been bound with razor wire and the women obviously abused prior to their death, it adds to the feeling. Especially, if they are less than 50 metres away smirking at your inability (not unwillingness) to react. It is a different subject from this case but, I think we need to distinguish between an emotional need to seek vengeance as opposed to justice.

My Grandparents moved into ED in 1948 from Camberwell and I lived the first 25 years of my life in the area from 1958 onward. First in Gedling House and then Petworth. As my father was in the army and off to exciting places and I lived with grandparents whilst going to DKH. I then whisked off to boarding school, but spent my holidays back in ED until I went of University in Durham, then Sandhurst. My family moved from ED to Forest Hill in the mid 80's and my association, because of career and circumstance ended. I have passed through the old place a few times over the years and it continues to change out of recognition to my time. I had lived in Dorset now for 17 years, or at least had a home here if posted away. Like to visit London for the theatre, but move back, not on your Nelly!! I am off to the Canadian prairies in the next five years to relive life in, at least the mindset, of 60's England, as the time warp bubble still exists around our colonial cousins in the wilderness.

The milkman in his electric van delivering Red Top, Silver Top and Gold Top (to the posh people) and the funny shaped bottle that you had to have a milk bottle opener for!!! Sterilised, I just remembered!!

grahambull Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remember the betting shop like it was yesterday! > Kids used to hang about outside trying to get > adults to put on bets for 'em. Before the betting office, there used to be bookies on Ivanhoe Road with lookouts on the corners. My Grandfather used to get my aunt to put his bets on. She used to get a slip of paper with his shilling bet and his code which she still remembers as OCON1. I was searching the grey matter for the name of the shop on Pytchley Road, and recaled it just now, it was Thorneycrofts and they had a Boxer called Ming. And the top green we used to call the Rosie Green. Incredible what the memory drags back to the surface.

TJ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am really completely overwhelmed again by the > aggression and ire vented on this site. > I am happy for someone who has done something > awful to get a pasting on here (Jacqui Smith for > one!), but too many people take their vague > preferences and turn them into something a whole > lot more poisonous. All to often these are > directed at small businesses who really need > support in these difficult times - not a verbal > assault. > I would like to suggest a 3 strikes and out rule. > 3 complaints against a post / poster and get them > off. Just to try and keep people interested in > remaining balanced and open minded. Wow, this place is like a tranquil walk in the park compared to the British Army forum or even Bruce Springsteen's politics site.

I got an invite to James Hewitt's new restaurant opening in Marbella, but declined. He soldiered under me (not literally) for a while.

Chick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So the pro life, anti abortion, pro death penalty, > pro war Christians in Kansas have murdered a > doctor, how does that square? As someone who spends three months or more in North America, I find it pointless discussing this with them, they are for or against. Luckily, there is still a majority who think logically. But this is a perennial election issue. The Republicans instead of calling out all the pro-choice Democrats should direct their anger at the pro-life Republicans who use this issue to fire people up every election cycle and then pretty much do nothing to try and change the law while they're in office. I mean before Obama, they had pro-life presidents for 20 of the last 28 years. Congress and the Senate have had Republican majorities for many of those years also. Plus, 7 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republicans. Why no push to overturn Roe v Wade (legalosed abortion within limits) by those guys? I personally only hear these elected pro-lifers talking about abortion during elections. I feel that pro-life politicians want and need abortion to remain legal. It's a very valuable hammer they hold while running for office. There are many, many people in the US who vote Republican ONLY because of the abortion issue. In fact, I feel many vote against their personal best interests in order to cast a vote for pro-lifers. There are probably a few who vote for a candidate simply because they are pro-life, but those numbers are dwarfed by the other side http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7722869&page=3 By LAUREN SHER, SARAH NETTER, BRIAN COHEN and EMILY FRIEDMAN June 1, 2009 ? Scott Roeder, the man accused of shooting Dr. George Tiller in church, was so vehement in his anti-abortion views that he made even his militant allies nervous. Roeder is expected to be charged today with homicide for the shooting death Sunday of Tiller, one of the few doctors in the country willing to perform late-term abortions. Roeder, 51, has a history of being one of the most outspoken anti-abortion militants in the country, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that tracks supremacist and hate groups. One of the groups that the SPLC kept an eye on was the anti-government Freemen movement, of which Roeder was a member. "[Roeder] wanted to do something about abortion," said Morris Wilson, who was close with Roeder during the late 1990s when both men were associated with the Freemen movement. "He was determined," said Wilson. "He made me nervous because he was just so, so radical." In 1996, Roeder was charged in Topeka with criminal use of explosives for having bomb components in his car trunk and sentenced to 24 months of probation. However, his conviction was overturned on appeal the next year after a higher court said evidence against Roeder was seized by law enforcement officers during an illegal search of his car. At the time, police said the FBI had identified Roeder as a member of the Freemen, which had kept the FBI at bay in Jordan, Mont., for almost three months in 1995-'96. Heidi Beirich, a spokeswoman for the SPLC, said that the Freeman movement has been dormant in recent years and that the group has not been categorized as a functioning group since the late 1990s. "The Freemen has its heyday in the 1990s," she said. "They were an extreme anti-government group that did not believe for example that the government had the right to decide what people should do in terms of guns or taxes." At least one of Roeder's former militants doesn't believe he did anything wrong. Ex-Freeman Accused of Shooting Tiller Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activities who became famous when she was ordered by a federal judge in 1995 to stop using a bullhorn within 500 feet of any abortion clinic, said that she had protested alongside Roeder and remembers him fondly. "I think the Scott Roeder that I know is a very pleasant and intelligent young man," said Dinwiddie, reached at her home in Kansas City, Mo. Asked whether she thought Roeder was capable of murder, Dinwiddie said that she doesn't think Tiller's death was murder. "I don't think whoever shot Tiller shot anybody," Dinwiddie said. "I think Tiller was stopped from killing the babies that would have died today. I think whoever shot him just stopped a cold blooded serial murderer in their tracks." Dinwiddie said that she knew Roeder did not "like people killing babies," but was "very pleasant" and had a "good heart." Roader's ex-wife, Lindsey Roeder, told police searching her home Sunday that her husband was likely involved in Tiller's death. Lindsey Roeder said it was Scott Roeder's strong anti-abortion views that led to the couple's 1996 divorce. She said her ex-husband never kept quiet about his views on abortion. "My family does not condone or support what Scott has done. This event is a tragic and senseless one and our thoughts and prayers are with the congregation and the doctor's family," Lindsey Roeder said. Lindsey Roeder said Scott Roeder was adamant about seeing his 22-year-old son, Nick, Friday night. She claimed their son has tried to avoid his father and only saw him about once every six weeks growing up. "My son is only related to his father by blood and does not believe in any of the same views his father does," Lindsey Roeder said. The two did meet Friday night, she said, and she believes the meeting was meant as a goodbye from father to son. Tiller's lawyer and friend, Lee Thompson, told "Good Morning America" today that Tiller, 67, was "one of the most positive and courageous men I've ever known."

Blimey, my brothers in the LFB, or whatever it is called these days!!

I am with you TLS Drove down to the coast at Lyme Regis and then back home passing through Abbotsbury to see the Swans hatching. Next week I will be relaxing by Lake Winnipeg.

In the long hot summer of 1976, I worked with my uncle in my school holidays. We had a job renewing the rubber flooring in a laundry room of an estate, where I cannot recall. It was already roasting, but it took me three days to take up the old floor by using a blowlamp to curl up the tile edges then get a shovel under to prise them free. So a confined, airless room, with smell of burning rubber and enhanced 90 degree temperatures. I politely declined further work with him and went on to gain employment for the rest of the summer on the council play schemes for younger kids in Brixton....I would not say that was a bad job, but they should have paid danger money.

Well, my offices are in Somerset so I do import the proper cider across the county line and we try to make sure the relatives are at least third cousins, four times removed, if at all possible.

Somerset and Dorset use Grockle and we even have subsets..... So a person from Weymouth is a Kimberlin to Portlanders (and as a useless piece of trivia, the word Rabbit is never given breath by those strange semi Islanders)

To motivate grockles who come to Dorset and toodle along at 12 miles an hour sightseeing.

Get a room!!!!

Dorset, I am an exile from London these days! If you remember Harbour Lights with Nick Berry of Eastenders fame, it is where they filmed the series. On the Jurassic Coast.

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PinkyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Santerme; > > The film is, as you say, fantastic, and those > people who only know "Sir Dickie" from his recent > cuddly granddad phase would be surprised how > terrifying he is in it. My only issue with it is > that they fudged the ending rather, but I suppose > it was a bit much to expect the Graham Greene > ending in 1947, it would have had people leaving > the cinema in emotional tatters. > > Oh, splendid, Newsnight's started. I always saw Attenborough role in this as the precursor to Brando and Dean... You are right the ending is an evocation of Heart of Darkness...IMHO

Ann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > PinkyB Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Cheers Brum, although my name is nothing to do > > with the colour pink, which I can take or leave > > frankly. It's short for Pinky Brown, who is the > > main character in my favourite novel*. > > Unfortunately some people have since suggested > it > > sounds a bit filthy, but it's too late to > change > > it now, I've been using it for nearly ten > years. > > And it's not my fault if some people have dirty > > minds, is it? > > > > > > > > * special prize for anyone who knows what this > is > > without having to Google it > > > Brighton Rock Richard Attenborough was great in the film. William Hartnell, who was the original Dr Who was in it too!!

I remember at the bottom of DKH there being a small row of shops by the bus stop, one was called Curtis's which was a confectionary/newsagent and there was another I think called Redapples. On the opposite side there was a Co op and a greengrocer I think!!! The bus stands were all metal contraptions unenclosed which did not help much in the winter.