New Prime Minister and outlook - factual update

[Seabag]

I agree with all that Jenny1

And I'll give my support, but right now I've got a business to run and in the weeks after 'that stupid arse Cameron's vote' fiasco, I've lost money and momentum. And Cameron was famously crap at the content of stuff, big on gestures and sound bites tho

But I'm there in spirit

*thumbs up symbol here*

[Jenny1]

Thanks Seabag. I wish you all the best with your business. I'm sure you'll find ways of regaining momentum. I quite understand the need to prioritise getting on with the job in hand. I'm just so sorry that people have been put through all of this.

[JoeLeg]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I did vote UKIP once JoeLeg which I suspect in

> your book is equivalent to voting for the BNP...

Well, not in the slightest. UKIP and the BNP are completely different parties. (No, don't everyone get wound up now; we all know that support of one does not automatically equal support of the other. There may well be crossover views in some supporters, but I personally am not about to equate the two political parties).

Look, mate, you accuse others of making assumptions, but frankly you make an awful lot yourself.

You at least are consistent - you voted UKIP and voted Leave. Fair enough. My issue is with those who didn't vote before now, voted in the referendum, and then will not vote again.

In my view, it's negligent to involve oneself in such a momentous decision and then refuse to take part in the political process after. I seriously doubt you're about to get the result you hoped for in some ways, so I reckon it's up to you (and other Leave voters) to decide whether you're prepared to live with whatever comes out the other end.

[Sue]

Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary ?!

WTF ?!

[JoeLeg]

Sue Wrote:

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> Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary ?!

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> WTF ?!

I'm not even a little bit surprised. Personally I thought he'd be Home Secretary, but the fact is there's way more to Boris than meets the eye. Whether this will turn out to be a good idea or not, who knows, but May doesn't strike me as the type to make an appointment like this without careful thought.

[Louisa]

Please don't tell me Boris has his finger on the button now he's foreign secretary?

Louisa.

[rendelharris]

Sue Wrote:

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> Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary ?!

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> WTF ?!

The most obtuse and tactless man in Britain, who thinks it's acceptable to refer to Africans as "grinning picanninies," and who set out to destroy our only cast-iron foreign alliance for his own personal ends, now represents us on the world stage. Superb. When the history of this period of British politics comes to be written it's going to make Machiavelli and the Borgias and Medicis look like Little House on the Prairie.

[muffins78]

I cannot understand in any way, shape or form - how Boris got a role. He jumped ship after the result - whatever about Gove! I feel totally disheartened today.

There appears no-one to look to, no continuity and just complete limbo!

[red devil]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> ...but May doesn't strike me as the

> type to make an appointment like this without

> careful thought.

Boris-kins, it's Treez here. I saw on the news that PastyFace has stabbed you in the back. Be a love and stand down and I'll make you Foreign Secretary. After all you get on awfully well with those fuzzy wuzzies.

I make that 15 seconds of careful thought...

[JoeLeg]

Nah, there's a plan there. What it is, I have no idea. And as I say, only time will tell if Boris can actually do this. But remember he went from lumbering buffoon to two-term Mayor, got himself round the Cabinet table and (albeit without realising he actually would) persuaded a whole lot of people to vote us out of Europe on nothing but sound bites and vague promises. He's an excellent manipulator of other people's view of him.

Boris is dangerous.

[Jenny1]

I'd agree that Boris is dangerous. Primarily to us.

[JoeLeg]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> I'd agree that Boris is dangerous. Primarily to

> us.

Oh yes, that was what I meant!

[Seabag]

Ah there we go again, for a second I had thought Mrs T was a bit OK

But she's a c*nt, just like the last lot

You couldn't make this stuff up

[Jenny1]

Quite.

And his questionable 'charm' and 'humour' won't work outside the UK - or in fact, I would argue, beyond England. It's only a certain type of English person who's susceptible to that brand of buffoonish banter, mixed with half-remembered references to classical history. Some Tories have him marked down as the 'Great Communicator' - but to a German, Chinese or Indian person he'll just look like a childish fool. If the situation wasn't so serious I would simply regard this appointment as toe-curlingly embarrassing.

[Seabag]

Or maybe BJ has been bought in to face up to the mess he helped create, he'll be out of his depth sometime soon, he'll make some faux-pas beyond the pale, then resign or she'll sack him. His chances at the upcoming GE are then diminished, she goes on to win the vote and becomes the 'elected' PM.

[Robert Poste's Child]

My guess is she wants to keep him visible during Brexit to make sure he cops any flak and acts as a reminder that she's not to blame - so a penance as much as a promotion.

[Jah Lush]

Boorish Johnson Foreign Secretary! They're taking the piss now.

[Blah Blah]

It does seem an alarming appointment, but I'm liking Robert Poste's thinking. Give Bojo a cabinet role, he is without question, doomed to fail at - then fire him - and he's out of the way forever.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm appalled by Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson's appointment. He has a career marked by repeated dishonestly and incompetence. He is one of the most self serving and unprincipled politician of recent times. A man like him has no place on the front bench. I've seen a lot of people talking about the inevitable gaff to come and giving him enough rope to hang himself etc... but really, what makes people think with his history that anything he does can really damage him now? He's our very own Berlusconi.

[????]

The Boris appointment is unavoidable and good internal politics

Brexit just won with much Tory support.

Boris or Gove were the big Tory Brexiters.

One HAS to be in the cabinet - Boris is more popular with Tory members and still with Brexiters in the general pop

FS is the least powerful of the major offices of state of which Gove or Boris HAS to be in one

Why is everyone surprised?

[????]

..or would you rather Gove?

People mixing up their Tory hate with actual realpolitik here.

[Parkdrive]

The political gene pool is very shallow currently so it's no surprise that we've been lumbered with this shower

[nxjen]

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> The Boris appointment is unavoidable and good

much Tory support.

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> Why is everyone surprised?

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Yep, and this is the inducement that made Boris leave the contest for PM. TM is keeping her friends close and her enemies closer, and Boris could arguably do more damage outside government than inside. Have to agree the prospect of what he might say is horrifying: perhaps he can be wired up to a machine that will give him a very painful shock if he doesn't think of the consequences before he opens his mouth.

And what will Leadsom get? Justice? Education? Health? DWP?

[Parkdrive]

Boris more damage outside than in? Given his history and faux pas he's been responsible for in the past, I for one am deeply concerned

[nxjen]

I too am concerned but though an MP, he was outside Government when he participated in the Brexit campaign and we know what happened there. He is a loose cannon and needs to be contained if at all possible.