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It depends when exactly you think the EDF was as vital as you remember it


I can?t agree with you Quids on the effect of the Drawing Room ? I recall the DR being an attempt to get away from just how dumb the Lounge had become (not silly dumb, but dim dumb).

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> It depends when exactly you think the EDF was as

> vital as you remember it

>

> I can?t agree with you Quids on the effect of the

> Drawing Room ? I recall the DR being an attempt to

> get away from just how dumb the Lounge had become

> (not silly dumb, but dim dumb).



And do you think that the Lounge has improved since?

Hmm Sean, I think the Drawing Room is a fine thing in theory, but the reality is that I seldom go in there because I don't have the time.


Having changed jobs, I have an altogether more hit and run approach to the forum these days, as I have very little time to get on here (today's "working from home" notwithstanding). That seemed to me to be more acceptable when serious discussions took place in the Lounge, but the posts in the Drawing Room are a lot longer and a lot more considered, and I think consequently deserving of an equally considered response. Unfortunately I don't have the time for that at work any more, but I'm a bit bored in the Lounge - I do miss the days of having a bit of argy-bargy with the likes of Huguenot, Mick Mac and even (whisper it) TLS.


As for mikecg, he wasn't combative - combat suggests a degree of skill - he was just angry and needed professional help.



edited because I can't spell today

Wot Rosie said.


Sean - The Drawing Room is a good place (although still can be fairly unpleasant despite the rules) with some very good debates. But it's not hit and run, small circle, missing contributions from some decent posters ( *Bob* being just one example that springs to mind) because I suspect they don't bother visiting often. But overall, as I feared and said initilly, I think it's made the Lounge worse and that's the lifeblood. Occasionally we've had a DR like thread in the Lounge and they've tended to be greart threads (I think MickM did one on Education as an eg off the top of my head).

Quids/Rosie


Sorry, I didn?t mean to imply that the Drawing Room had improved the Lounge or was in itself a roaring success


I think the change had already set in by the time of the Drawing Room?s inception - of the posts so far I think Mr Ben comes closest with SOME of his observations

I'm not saying that (as well you know) Rosie


I agree with pretty much all the points you and quids make re: The Drawing Room


Where I differ is that I don't think the DR is connected in any meaningful way with daizie's question


Huguenot makes the very valid point that as long as the forum has existed, someone has always said it isn't what it was. And trult there have always been lulls in activity


But if I'm reading correctly, many people feel THIS time is different. And maybe it is. But The Drawing Room is a red herring. The Lounge was but a shadow of itself at the time the DR came to be. And yes people like *Bob* don't post in there but people like *Bob* don't post as much as they used to full stop. If I remember rightly *Bob* stopped posting full stop for quite a while (before the DR).

RosieH Wrote:

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> As for mikecg, he wasn't combative - combat

> suggests a degree of skill - he was just angry and

> needed professional help.


He is STILL very angry about his treatment on the EDF, to the point of being obsessive.

Perhaps the NHF is the help he requires to find e-peace?

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