Cameron? Anyone?

[????]

...or are we all in the "Don't let the door slam you in the ars*e on the way out Dave" school?

[red devil]

I'm gutted at the news...that Bake Off is going to Channel 4

[Louisa]

'Call me Dave' was certainly a god send to the Conservative party. Help make them electable again, and moved firmly into the centre ground on 'some' issues, which have in part lead to the perception that they're in the middle ground of politics. Labour and their shift to the left is another story which possibly has helped the perception somewhat.

Deep down I think Cameron meant well, a career politician at heart, one nation, not radical or convictionist in the slightest. Probably a decent person at home. Will go down in history as the man who oversaw us leaving the EU. And possibly contributed towards the eventual break up of the United Kingdom.

History won't be kind to Dave, another Tory PM consumed by the Europe question.

Louisa.

[LondonMix]

I agree with all of that Louisa!

[*Bob*]

red devil Wrote:

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> I'm gutted at the news...that Bake Off is going to

> Channel 4

Not as gutted as the bloke who writes all the music. That's a 75% drop income.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Dave and several of his cabinet, were a good example of the dangers of public school privilege. No doubt a nice enough chap, but should never have been allowed near that job and never would have been had he been born to different circumstances.

[Jenny1]

I agree entirely with rahrahrah. I'm sure Dave is pleasant. But he's also a foolish lightweight. Not good enough when you're trying to run a country.

[JohnL]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> I agree entirely with rahrahrah. I'm sure Dave is

> pleasant. But he's also a foolish lightweight. Not

> good enough when you're trying to run a country.

But before him as Tory leader we had

Howard

IDS

Hague

The first two were strange and I'm not at all sure about the third :)

[Cassius]

I did feel that Dave and Sam would be quite nice to go out for a drink with - something that I certainly wouldn't say about Tony and Cherie (who would no doubt not pay their round either) - but Prime Minister material???

[JohnL]

Cassius Wrote:

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> I did feel that Dave and Sam would be quite nice

> to go out for a drink with - something that I

> certainly wouldn't say about Tony and Cherie (who

> would no doubt not pay their round either) - but

> Prime Minister material???

Tony would charge you for drinking with him.

[Seabag]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

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> > I'm gutted at the news...that Bake Off is going

> to

> > Channel 4

>

>

> Not as gutted as the bloke who writes all the

> music. That's a 75% drop income.

Oh *Bob* won't they take 'him' with them ?

*sad face*

[dbboy]

Funny how Cameron announced he was giving up his seat a day before the boundary commission announce the proposed changes.

[*Bob*]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Oh *Bob* won't they take 'him' with them ?

> *sad face*

They'll probably use a lot of the same music but, alas, the royalty rate is less than a third of BBC1.

Could have been worse I suppose (Channel 5)

[holloway]

Something's clearly been said behind the scenes. Cameron must be sick as a pig.

[Louisa]

Well done holloway on the pig reference haha

Louisa.

[nxjen]

red devil Wrote:

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> I'm gutted at the news...that Bake Off is going to

> Channel 4

And Mel and Sue have quit

[uncleglen]

David cameron wanted to do the boundary changes when in coalition with Nick Clegg...Nick Clegg blocked it.

[Robert Poste's Child]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> No doubt a nice enough chap, but should never have

> been allowed near that job and never would have

> been had he been born to different circumstances.

Completely. To me he never seemed to realise that it wasn't just an extension of being in the school debating society or the extent to which many people's lives became more difficult on his watch. I also felt he wasn't in it for the right reasons (who is, some might say) but with his eye on a peerage and a series of well-paid board memberships.

[Blah Blah]

Cameron was the end product of a party in opposition for a long time. They'd tried everything else. He was without doubt politically naive and it got him in the end. But he won't suffer in the way everyone else does if they quit their job. It was on his watch that welfare reform means that leaving a job denies benefits for six months, irregardless for the reasons for quitting. If only we could all leave our jobs when we don't like the new boss. I had no respect for him as PM and I have even less for him now. There is nothing 'nice' about Cameron. Self serving, arrogant, and as ruthless as they come.

[rendelharris]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Cameron was the end product of a party in

> opposition for a long time. They'd tried

> everything else. He was without doubt politically

> naive and it got him in the end. But he won't

> suffer in the way everyone else does if they quit

> their job. It was on his watch that welfare reform

> means that leaving a job denies benefits for six

> months, irregardless for the reasons for quitting.

> If only we could all leave our jobs when we don't

> like the new boss. I had no respect for him as PM

> and I have even less for him now. There is nothing

> 'nice' about Cameron. Self serving, arrogant, and

> as ruthless as they come.

This. A politician who only cared about what people would vote for, not was actually right. Look at Churchill in his wilderness years, whatever one thinks of him he eschewed popularity for what he thought was right, not what he thought was popular. Cameron was a PR man promoted way beyond his ability, the ultimate populist.

[Robert Poste's Child]

A commentator, can't remember who now, said Cameron's weakness is he's tactical rather than strategic, doing just enough to get him through to next Tuesday. Bang on the money I thought.

[Robert Poste's Child]

To put it another way, I thought he was lazy. Whatever you may say about Boris I don't think that's true of him. May I think has a strong sense of duty, so a very different kind of mindset.

[kristymac1]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Blah Blah Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Cameron was the end product of a party in

> > opposition for a long time. They'd tried

> > everything else. He was without doubt

> politically

> > naive and it got him in the end. But he won't

> > suffer in the way everyone else does if they

> quit

> > their job. It was on his watch that welfare

> reform

> > means that leaving a job denies benefits for

> six

> > months, irregardless for the reasons for

> quitting.

> > If only we could all leave our jobs when we

> don't

> > like the new boss. I had no respect for him as

> PM

> > and I have even less for him now. There is

> nothing

> > 'nice' about Cameron. Self serving, arrogant,

> and

> > as ruthless as they come.

>

> This. A politician who only cared about what

> people would vote for, not was actually right.

> Look at Churchill in his wilderness years,

> whatever one thinks of him he eschewed popularity

> for what he thought was right, not what he thought

> was popular. Cameron was a PR man promoted way

> beyond his ability, the ultimate populist.

^^This.

[malumbu]

Why are you lot being so kind? Spineless and lightweight and his foolish actions have left us with this crock of poo.

To echo the 1992 Sun headline - will the last PM to leave the country please turn the light off

[jaywalker]

> > Blah Blah Wrote:

> > > Cameron was the end product of a party in

> > > opposition for a long time. They'd tried

> > > everything else. He was without doubt

> > politically

> > > naive and it got him in the end.

This simply cannot be right. Cameron was recognised as a means to power by the rabid tories - on a 'niced up' Blair model. His unguent and empty public persona with its 'nice' manners (oh the quality) and rictus smile appealed far and wide - do you think Eton produces people who succeed otherwise? Probably not since Maynard Keynes. I agree that a first class degree in PPE is almost certainly a sign of naivete wrt to the antagonistic social; but intelligence is neither here nor there in achieving success (i.e. getting power) in politics (viz Major).