Great Gigs

[Parkdrive]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Not me unfortunately. It's the first time I've

> missed them in London since the 70s. They are a

> fantastic live band. The best.

I saw them at Earls Court 1976, thought they were great, but I remember saying at the time before the gig, this lot are over the hill. They really should give it a rest now.

[Otta]

GG Agree with you as a rule about ageism, but there is something a bit creepy about Mick strutting around like a leery old granddad.

[MrBen]

Any Grandads are creepy at the moment post Savile. They have kind of generated their own mystique and gravitas that allows them to be who they are. It's a weird phenomenon. And one that really wont be around for ever.

Very jealous of GG!

[????]

Have they got the Angels in to do security?

[Townleygreen]

Yeah, the Altamont posse

[Jah Lush]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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> > Not me unfortunately. It's the first time I've

> > missed them in London since the 70s. They are a

> > fantastic live band. The best.

>

> I saw them at Earls Court 1976, thought they were

> great, but I remember saying at the time before

> the gig, this lot are over the hill. They really

> should give it a rest now.

Yeah, I was there too. Saw 'em twice that year. Knebworth was the other one.

As for the age thing it would seem it's perfectly all right for blues and jazz musicians to grow old and continue to perform and record so why can't The Stones?

Rock n'roll or pop music in general has always been associated youth but these guys and many other musicians from the 60s/70s and beyond are still performing and their audience has grown up with them.

Should artists do the same? Did Picasso stop painting once he got past 60? No, of course not and he produced some of his work well into his 70s.

Bottom line is they are still very popular and that's why people still want to go and see them and for those that can afford these ridiculously over-inflated ticket prices will pay top dollar to do so.

You can say they are past their best and I wouldn't argue with you but they can still put on a fantastic, powerful and energetic performance that people more than half their age don't even come close too.

Enjoy the gig Giggirl.

[Otta]

They should absolutely continue to perform. They should keep the hip girations to a minimum though, even if they can afford unlimited replacements!

[Jeremy]

It's up to them, isn't it? Why on earth should they retire, when they clearly still enjoy playing, and there's still a huge audience of all ages.

[MrBen]

If you love the Blues check out "Muddy Waters and The Rolling Stones" documentary shown last weekend on BBC 4 (you can still find it on iplayer for another 4 days).

They're sitting in with Muddy Waters at Buddy Guy's tiny blues club The Checkerboard Lounge in 1981. It's more Muddy (who died not long after) than the Stones and Jagger looks like a massive bell end convulsing around in what I can only describe as a shiny red baseball suit. Then, at about 50 mins in it really starts to smoke as Buddy Guy himself (my all time hero) gets up and sings /plays whilst jagger sits back down in the crowd. Also a real unsung Chicago player called Lefty Dizz is on it in one of the only film recordings of him playing live. These old blues cats wipe the floor with Keith Richards and Ronnie Wood who both look plastered but they kind of hold it together. Fascinating point in time stuff.

[Jah Lush]

I concur with all the above Mr Ben.

[Parkdrive]

Popular the Stones mat still be, but they just don't cut it anymore, unlike giants of jazz and soul. But even in the soul genre, there are some that should have given up years ago, Martha Reeves being an example of same.

[Otta]

Totally agree PD, unlike Solomon Burke who's voice was amazing til the day he died.

[Jah Lush]

Bobby Womack's still got it by the lorry load and he's playing the Forum tonight. I'm might end up going. Just waiting on a call. Fingers crossed.

[MrBen]

I would love to go to Bobby Womack. So much good stuff from him.

I happened to be on 110th St two weeks back and couldn't resist sticking it on the headphones. Does a beautiful spaced out cover of California Dreaming too.....

[Jah Lush]

I saw him back in '88 and he was fabulous.

[civilservant]

love his California Dreaming

my OH went to his gig Sunday night and reported that a good time was had by all (while I tried to pretend that I was cool about not being able to go)

Stones? pah

[Otta]

I watched part 2 of Crossfire Hurricane last night, and it confirmed what I already knew to be true.

Keef was always cool as fuck!

Mick was always a bit of a tit.

[????]

MrBen Wrote:

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> I would love to go to Bobby Womack. So much good

> stuff from him.

>

> I happened to be on 110th St two weeks back and

> couldn't resist sticking it on the headphones.

> Does a beautiful spaced out cover of California

> Dreaming too.....

I think 110th Street has probably changed a fair bit since Mr Womack wrote that song! I love all that gritty 70s funk/soul - Curtis Mayfield being the master

[steveo]

Bobby Womack moved in with Sam Cooke's wife indecently quickly after Sam was murdered and went to the funeral wearing one of Sam's suits

[MrBen]

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> I think 110th Street has probably changed a fair

> bit since Mr Womack wrote that song! I love all

> that gritty 70s funk/soul - Curtis Mayfield being

> the master

It has indeed. Well on its way to gentrification. But walk up to 120th and up and it's mostly black. I got stares walking down 125th in a suit. And not always in a good way. Great part of town though and found it much more community feel /friendly welcome in the bars etc.

Basically all that music from American Gangster comes to mind walking through those old Brownstone terraces....

[giggirl]

I went to Harlem by accident last year. Well posh.

[????]

In 1981 I stayed with some artists (oooh get me) on E104 on the Lower East Side, we were told NOT to turn right out of the apartment door at all like YOU WILL MAYBE DIE. Hells Angels were guarding the block opposite as they had a 'clubhouse' there, walking through Washington Square gardens was all "You eat acid man?" and 'loose joints' sold out of jam jars.....I went down the Lower East side with my missus in 2006, more gentrified than SE22

....in a sort of way, i preffered it back in the day

[Otta]

"we were told NOT to turn right out of the apartment door at all like YOU WILL MAYBE DIE."

This reminded me of a trip to Venezuela in 2010 for a friend's wedding. His wife's family were bloody lovely, and looked after us. One of her aunts provided us with an apartment to stay in, and as they handed over the keys they said "daylight, go out, fine. Dark, you will get shot".

We stayed in in the evenings!

[giggirl]

Ha - I know exactly what you mean quids. In 1986/7 I spent a lot of time in New York. My partner worked all the hours on his business start up. I was lucky if we got to have dinner together and I spent most of the time on my own. We lived on the Upper East (oooh get me) but I spent a lot of time going walkabout all over the city taking photographs. I was warned over and over "not to stray from the path" but I went everywhere regardless. You could turn a corner and instantly know that it was the wrong place to be. I remember one day making a sort of pilgrimage to the Electric Ladyland Studios in the West Village and feeling a long way from my demographic. A couple of years ago I was walking out of a Starbucks (I know, I know) and bang, there it was, Electric Ladyland, surrounded by Sushi Bars such. It used to be one of those places which, in the words of The Boss, "Down in the part of town where when you hit a red light you don?t stop". I don't think those places exist in Manhattan any more. Different city.

[giggirl]

Now the gig thread is the travel log. Just to go back on topic, my friend has told me that Florence is singing Gimme Shelter tomorrow night. NOOOOO. She hasn't got the lungs for it (see what I did there). Somebody tell me I'm wrong.