West Dulwich Forum

[mamafeelgood]

no ...

[mamafeelgood]

DM, i fear the noise would wake the children.

[mockney piers]

It's a bit tricky if it's an image. If it's a photo on a webpage then you can do a deeplink to it by pressing the insert image url thing, you can generally find an images url by right clicking it and viewing its propoerties.

If it's your own photo then it's a bit toughter. I generally post it on flickr as a private photo so that it doesn't clutter the photostream, then deeplink to it there.

that's me showing off now ;-P

[mamafeelgood]

ahhhh thank you, this dove sent from camberwell to make all east and west dulwich residents feel warm with love for their fellow neighbour and forums. thank you mockney for making it happen ...

[downsouth]

You can always set up an account with Imageshack - it takes a couple of minutes and from there you can upload photos quite easily. http://www.imageshack.us

I too feel the warmth and a sudden wave of goodwill to all men (and women!). The flutter of peace on my face has redeemed my faith in human kind.

In the spirit of our new found nirvana I thought I'd finish off my little map and add East Duwlich (outline in black) and the Village/Central area and Common (circled in blue) so that there is an overall impression of where the areas relate.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9910/allofdulwichdc1.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9910/allofdulwichdc1.013b5d9c88.jpg

Back in ye old days the entire manor of Dulwich incorporated roughly the area highlighted (although it was slightly smaller on the East part (I believe Lordship Lane was the dividing line) and on the West (Croxted Road was more or less the dividing line) and larger on the Southern part (extending into what are now Sydenham Hill and Duwlich and Sydenham Woods and reaching right up to Crystal Palace Park).

[downsouth]

DM - just to add. Along with setting up the WDF I will be on here also. It's not easy to find so much peace and love in one place...

[macroban]

West Dulwich is only ~WEST~ of the railway line.

[dulwichmum]

Lovely Downsouth,

I must apologise if I have sounded hostile initially. I feel really protective about this forum, indeed Mockney, Keef, Mark, Ant, Polly and Sean et al. have been wonderful to me. I owe you guys so much (sniff).

This forum is the best.

[SimonM]

Looking carefully at that map. I am curious as to where such as The Harvester & The Concrete House are actually situated? :-S

[mockney piers]

I have to admit i'd never heard of south dulwich, but can't help feeling sorry for poor old north, who must be feeling somewhat neglected about now. Poor wittle norf duwich.

[downsouth]

The harvester is where Lordship Lane and Dulwich Common intersect (Red and Black lines on the right). The concrete house is located just further along Lordship Lane where it meets London Road.

Mockney - I didn't mean to leave North Dulwich out but it's so small and is really a marketing ploy by estate agents. If anything it is really Herne Hill although I know that will irk anyone who lives there. Re: South Dulwich - there are only a few hundred people living in their large detached houses/private apartments and perhaps a thousand on the estate housing the old Kingswood house (below)

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6522/kingswoodqy4.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1434/kingswood1ie0.jpg

beyond that there is more greenery (i.e. Dulwich and Sydenham Woods) than concrete. The local church St Stephens states its address as South Dulwich.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9875/ststephenschurchto9.jpg

As said before it is often referred to as West Dulwich or on its extremeties as Gipsy Hill.

[Jah Lush]

South Dulwich!!! Pah! If it's not Dulwich it's Sydenham, especially with the train station not 100 yards away from St Stephen's Church.

[Brendan]

Apparently historically that area was called South Dulwich. Can't remember where I read that but I seem to recall seeing it somewhere.

[Jah Lush]

It's all a load of estate agent bollocks then. I've lived in and around Dulwich all my life and I think I would have known about that.

[Brendan]

It had something to do with a church if I recall. I will see if I can find it again.

[mockney piers]

From what I saw at the London, a life in maps exhibition, area naming has been pretty fluid over the years.

My spot was called Fox Hill in the 16th century, but the only trace of that name is the pub.

[downsouth]

That's because this whole part of Dulwich was wooded and the separation of Sydenham and Dulwich far more pronounced. So the station was called Sydenham Hill to mark its location to the rest of Dulwich i.e. on the approach to Sydenham Hill in a clearing in Dulwich Woods http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/southwark/dulwich/sydenham-hill-station.htm . But if you take Dulwich to be the land owned by the Dulwich estate it is more Dulwich than all the areas on the east of Lordship Lane which were originally part of Friern Manor Farm.

[downsouth]

And in addition taken from St Stephens website: History

Built 1867 - 75; consecrated 1868

Architect; Banks and Barry

Listed Grade II

In 1868, only a handful of people lived in the leafy part of Surrey now known as Dulwich, on a few dairy farms and in modern gracious villas.

St. Stephen, in the woods on College Road, a beautiful neo-gothic church, was commissioned from the famous Victorian architect, Sir Charles Barry, to seat a congregation of seven hundred. The church was built by private subscription without endowments, and with the extra gift of a fresco by Sir Edward Poynter

Their website proclaims South Dulwich at the top: http://www.ststephensdulwich.org/history.html and so does a history of one house on College Road "Dunlica" (now St John's Wood house) which reads

A tall, old-looking detached house on College Rd (pleasant road which runs between Dulwich College and a park), Dulwich (the S end, this location also described as in "South Dulwich"), SC London (London SE21).

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/OMeara/dunlica.html

[Jah Lush]

Brilliant! Love the stuff you've put in there Downsouth (oh and welcome to the EDF and good luck with WDF). When I was a teenager I used do gigs in the hall/youth club behind St Stephens Church, although I think the hall has been knocked down now.

[SimonM]

:))>>The harvester is where Lordship Lane and Dulwich Common intersect (Red and Black lines on the right). The concrete >>house is located just further along Lordship Lane where it meets London Road. <<

Oh yes I did realise that. I meant that from the map and according to the borders added they appear not to be in either East Dulwich or West Dulwich....so where are they?

[downsouth]

It's SE22 so East. The black line should extend to meet the blue one so that it would be just inside. These are approximations after all. It is the only bit of SE22 on the south circular.

[Huguenot]

On a technicality, SE22 postcode and the East Dulwich electoral ward don't actually match....

When defining these areas how are you chaps rationalising the districts?

[downsouth]

As said this is only a rough outline - I knew I should have put a disclaimer up! Re electoral wards - they never match be they in Dulwich or Dundee. Just depends on which governing party needs the votes titled in their favour. 'Most' of the old Dulwich constituency was merged with West Norwood to form what we know today but that still leaves out Peckham Rye, South Camberwell ward and parts of The Lanes which went over to Peckham and Camberwell ward. The current Dulwich and West Norwood ward acquired parts of Thurlow Park, Herne Hill and Coldharbour from Streatham and Vauxhall ward.

[citizenED]

Here's something over in West Dulwich - there's a family centre in Chatsworth Baptist Church, I took my little boy over to a parent and child group there today. Pretty good. Took ten minutes from my place in ED and I drove past loads of beautiful houses in the tree lined streets over that way just wishing that ED housing stock was as well-built. But however nice it is, it is not East Dulwich - it's too quiet, too...too...suburban. Is it simply because it's south of the South Circular?

citizen

[Alan Dale]

So East Dulwich should be reclassified as Urban after all....