Leaving NO BREAD for the everyday shoppers

[Sue]

Pure greed?

What a ridiculous post.

Club of regular forumites justifying selfishness?

Lord give me strength.

I've given you the benefit of doubt in the past, Louisa, but it's belatedly very clear to me now that you are a WUM.

[Penguin68]

But Louisa - there isn't a national bread shortage - our local Coop could always be ordering more if their supply is regularly running out before customers' needs can be fulfilled. It's their bad on this. Local shops are just as much legitimate customers as you, with just as much right to buy their bread where they want to. Just as a large family may need to buy more than someone living on their own. I don't think local sandwich shops are exactly coining it - to equate making a profit with greed without any knowledge of what level of profit being made is absurd. If they didn't make a profit they would go out of business. If buying from the Coop what you need is an act of selfishness, then I accuse you of selfishness for buying (or even trying to buy) what you need from the Coop. Every time you buy a loaf you are selfishly depriving someone else of the possibility of buying one. Hang your head in shame!

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > Marcia, you will get very little joy from

> people

> > on EDF.

>

> Some have Shares in Pubs in and around the

> > area.

>

> > Some own local businesses.

> >

>

>

>

> What on earth have either of those things got to

> do with the Co-op apparently failing to understand

> supply and demand and hence failing to exercise

> basic control over their stock?

>

> Care to explain?

No. Self explanitory .

Happy Christmas. :)

Foxy

[Mystic Mog]

Loving The Foxy, he's almost as good as Louisa! ☺

[Jeremy]

The other week we had someone moaning that a supermarket wouldn't sell her 50 cartons of soy milk, or whatever it was. You can't have it both ways! Either supermarkets impose limits on purchases, or they let you buy whatever you like. You can't please everyone.

i*Rate Wrote:

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> They don't go to the Brickhouse Bakery though, at

> ?5 a loaf, they'd be off their loaf - Gettit!

Actually some caf?s do use Brickhouse bread - e.g. Anderson on Bellenden Rd. I suspect the ones that use 75p Co-op loaves (assuming this uh-mazing tale is actually true) are of the traditional/greasy spoon variety... which no doubt you will find Louisa praising as salt-of-the-earth blah blah blah on some other thread...

[Zebedee Tring]

It's all those people like me who have lived in ED only since 1987 who cause all this trouble. With their middle class tastes and their selfish ways. I hate people like me.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I think they should only sell by the slice, ten slice limit.

[Earl Aelfheah]

let them eat cake.

[Louisa]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> The other week we had someone moaning that a

> supermarket wouldn't sell her 50 cartons of soy

> milk, or whatever it was. You can't have it both

> ways! Either supermarkets impose limits on

> purchases, or they let you buy whatever you like.

> You can't please everyone.

>

>

> i*Rate Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > They don't go to the Brickhouse Bakery though,

> at

> > ?5 a loaf, they'd be off their loaf - Gettit!

>

> Actually some caf?s do use Brickhouse bread - e.g.

> Anderson on Bellenden Rd. I suspect the ones that

> use 75p Co-op loaves (assuming this uh-mazing tale

> is actually true) are of the traditional/greasy

> spoon variety... which no doubt you will find

> Louisa praising as salt-of-the-earth blah blah

> blah on some other thread...

Jeremy no one, including me, is making any assumptions about the destination of these bulk bought loaves of bread. All we have been told is, various eateries are buying up bread and selling it on for a profit at the expense of the individual bread consumer. I don't care if it's a greasy spoon or a yummy mummy haunt, all I know is the OP and many others are unable to visit a local supermarket to buy this item because businesses are buying up stock meant for regular customers, not businesses. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand here? It's Christmas, and this level is selfishness is totally out of character with this festive season of the year.

Louisa.

[Burbage]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> - our local Coop could always be ordering more if

> their supply is regularly running out before

> customers' needs can be fulfilled. It's their bad

> on this.

I think it's a little trickier than that.

Firstly, we don't know how 'regular' demand is, how much it varies on a day-by-day basis, or what factors affect it, or the lag between a co-op order being put in and stuff arriving in the store. If it's volatile, then what 'ordering more' would mean is that the co-op would be taking on, with no guarantee of any return, one of the risks that the relevant businesses should be managing for themselves.

Secondly, a 75p loaf is likely to be a loss-leader, and selling more of it may simply lose the store more money.

Thirdly, the idea of a loss-leader is to tempt customers, and their grocery budgets, into the store. If all, or most, gets bought up by nearby businesses, the point of the loss-leader is spoilt.

Fourthly, if the store, or the lorries, are full of bread, that means less truck/shelf-space for profitable or popular things, and ED customers would be the first to complain if they ran out of emu milk or chi-chi beans.

Fifthly, the ultimate aim of the store is to keep retail customers, who also buy profitable things, happy. Allowing the actions of business customers, who are resistant to the up- and cross-selling messages, to make the co-op's retail customers less happy is not a recipe for long-term success.

So, although they could order more of the bread, and thus satisfy the simplistic dictates of countless economics and MBA courses, to do so would be unwise. It would as if a farmer, faced with a plague of rabbits, decided to buy and farm more land to make up the losses, rather than invest in a shotgun.

[JohnL]

Burbage Wrote:

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> It would as if a farmer, faced

> with a plague of rabbits, decided to buy and farm

> more land to make up the losses, rather than

> invest in a shotgun.

Didn't you see Watership Down ?

However, As I said right up the top - Co-Ops Bread page gives the impression they'll never run out

http://www.co-operativefood.co.uk/groceries/about-our-food/our-bread/

[Earl Aelfheah]

We don't really know anything. Frankly, the Co-op staff my be making assumptions about the breads end destination. I've gone in and bought a load of bread before when I'm having a kids party and making lot's of sandwiches for example. The Co-op is there to sell food, they aren't there to question it's use.

Assuming for a minute however, that a cafe is buying co-op bread -Either it is using the shop as it's main supplier of bread (in which case, co-op ought to be able to predict the demand), or they're using it in instances where they've unexpectedly run out (which seems perfectly reasonable to me). Either way, I can't see how co-op is meant to police bread usage,or deny service. There are lot's of other shops on the Lane where you can get generic sliced white bread.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Fundamentally, I am willing to bet with 100% certainty that I could walk down Lordship Lane right now and purchase some sliced white bread. I cannot believe there is anything so exceptional about the Co-op brand of mass produced, heavily processed sliced white that makes it necessary to get upset at having to fall back on a substitute.

I would also bet however, with fairly high certainty, that at most times I would find the co-op fully stocked with their own brand sliced white.

[DulwichFox]

I think some Cafe owners could be missing out. Much of the stock in the Co-op has a Best Before daet of today.

Get along there and look for the REDUCED lable.. 75p loaves for what. 60p ???

DulwichFox

[Rosetta]

Is that bread only or meant to be for toasting? If so, perhaps because it's winter now more is being used to make toasties in the cafes etc. Write to their manager and head office and ask them to order more.

[Bic Basher]

Does the Co-op in Forest Hill Road sell the bread? There's also the store in Forest Hill past the railway bridge on the South Circular.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > DulwichFox Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> >

> > >

> > > Marcia, you will get very little joy from

> > people

> > > on EDF.

> >

> > Some have Shares in Pubs in and around the

> > > area.

> >

> > > Some own local businesses.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > What on earth have either of those things got

> to

> > do with the Co-op apparently failing to

> understand

> > supply and demand and hence failing to exercise

> > basic control over their stock?

> >

> > Care to explain?

>

>

> No. Self explanitory .

>

> Happy Christmas. :)

>

Er, no it isn't "Self explanitory" (sic) so I guess your response means you can't explain it.

Happy Christmas to you too :))

[Sue]

Burbage Wrote:

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> Penguin68 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > - our local Coop could always be ordering more

> if

> > their supply is regularly running out before

> > customers' needs can be fulfilled. It's their

> bad

> > on this.

>

> I think it's a little trickier than that.

>

> Firstly, we don't know how 'regular' demand is,

> how much it varies on a day-by-day basis, or what

> factors affect it, or the lag between a co-op

> order being put in and stuff arriving in the

> store. If it's volatile, then what 'ordering more'

> would mean is that the co-op would be taking on,

> with no guarantee of any return, one of the risks

> that the relevant businesses should be managing

> for themselves.

>

> Secondly, a 75p loaf is likely to be a

> loss-leader, and selling more of it may simply

> lose the store more money.

>

> Thirdly, the idea of a loss-leader is to tempt

> customers, and their grocery budgets, into the

> store. If all, or most, gets bought up by nearby

> businesses, the point of the loss-leader is

> spoilt.

>

> Fourthly, if the store, or the lorries, are full

> of bread, that means less truck/shelf-space for

> profitable or popular things, and ED customers

> would be the first to complain if they ran out of

> emu milk or chi-chi beans.

>

> Fifthly, the ultimate aim of the store is to keep

> retail customers, who also buy profitable things,

> happy. Allowing the actions of business customers,

> who are resistant to the up- and cross-selling

> messages, to make the co-op's retail customers

> less happy is not a recipe for long-term success.

>

> So, although they could order more of the bread,

> and thus satisfy the simplistic dictates of

> countless economics and MBA courses, to do so

> would be unwise. It would as if a farmer, faced

> with a plague of rabbits, decided to buy and farm

> more land to make up the losses, rather than

> invest in a shotgun.

Crikey, Burbage, don't bring such common sense into this thread :))

Some posters won't be able to cope with it :))

[Louisa]

I am shocked at how anyone could possibly justify a once publicly owned supermarket, selling bread stocks en mass to local private businesses. It's utter madness. It is deprving some people (especially elderly folk) of being able to buy their favourite loaf in a convenient location. Imagine if I didn't have my car, I'd be stuffed living all way over near Barry Road and having to walk to FHR to hopefully get my favourite loaf. Sometimes I think I am the only sane one on this forum, some bizarre comments above, for goodness sakes. Bonkers!

Louisa.

[DulwichFox]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I am shocked at how anyone could possibly justify

> a once publicly owned supermarket, selling bread

> stocks en mass to local private businesses. It's

> utter madness. It is deprving some people

> (especially elderly folk) of being able to buy

> their favourite loaf in a convenient location.

> Imagine if I didn't have my car, I'd be stuffed

> living all way over near Barry Road and having to

> walk to FHR to hopefully get my favourite loaf.

Sometimes I think I am the only sane one on this

forum, some bizarre comments above, for goodness

sakes. Bonkers!

Louisa.

Come on Lou.. That's a bit unfair..

Foxy ;-)

[Zebedee Tring]

Blimey, is this thread still running? A certain poster need to go and have a little lie down.

[ploberman]

This thread is just fine for those who have time to just loaf around all day.

[Jeremy]

How do you prefer your bread? Sliced? Un-sliced? Or by the sounds of a certain poster, half cut?

[TheArtfulDogger]

           War is peace

    Freedom is slavery

  Ignorance is strength

Coop bread is for the masses not the cafes

Big brother is watching you

[pablogrande]

about 8 years ago I was in the LL Co-op's previous incarnation (Somerfield?) I saw one of 90s kids favourites Trevor and Simon at the customer service till complaining that he'd been charged full price for a baguette that had been marked down. It was disheartening that the once loved entertainer was now quite literally on the bread line.