Unite for Europe March this Saturday

[sylviamaria]

https://www.uniteforeurope.org/

For anyone interested in making a stand for Europe.

March 25th at 11am.

[titch juicy]

I shall be there.

[Townleygreen]

Me too!

[vito]

..and me

[teddyboy23]

Not me

[Jules-and-Boo]

European EU politics No

European People Yes

[pablogrande]

me too

[Earl Aelfheah]

Think it's a bit late unfortunately.

[vito]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Think it's a bit late unfortunately.

Surely it s late but i believe it still can influence Brexit

Leavers won and i respect it but still there is half of the country that voted to remain..still a percentage of the leavers perhaps did not want a hard brexit..and still I think it will be very good to remind all of this to the whom represents this country.

This Person elected or not elected still works for the whole country not for half of it..

Also it might be good for the image of this country in europe and world wide if not for the way we do brexit.

Lots of people start believing that people of UK are ONLY the one at the football couple of days ago insulting the germans and chanting NAZI songs

I know there is another half of this country. let s show it to everybody..

thanx

[robbin]

Ha ha ha!

You do know there was a referendum on this? Last year.

[robbin]

Maybe someone should start a petition?

[titch juicy]

robbin Wrote:

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> Ha ha ha!

>

> You do know there was a referendum on this? Last

> year.

There was a vote in 1972 too, but it didn't stop people campaigning every year since to leave.

So what's your point?

[keano77]

Check your facts titch

[titch juicy]

Very sorry- 1973

[keano77]

Nope

[titch juicy]

Nope what?

This would be a lot easier if you said what you were thinking rather than trying to look clever.

[keano77]

Sorry titch but I seem to remember you made that point before on another thread. The referendum you refer to was in June 1975 (two and a half years after the UK had joined the European Community). There was an overwhelming yes vote of more than 67%.

Unfortunately the current EU is a very different beast to the economic trading bloc people voted to join 42 years ago, hence Brexit.

[titch juicy]

I'd be very surprised if the vast majority of those that voted no this time had analysed the differences between the EU in 1975 and 2016.

[keano77]

True. I have to say I agree with Juncker (see Guardian piece) that the EU was blamed for many of Britain's ills that the EU had no part in

[robbin]

Yes, but Juncker is a deluded old geezer who is way past his sell by date. It may be correct that the EU has been blamed for (some) of Britain's ills that it had no part in, but he's just trying to distract from the obvious point that in a haze (whether of booze or smug overconfidence, makes no difference) he's led the EU down the wrong road of being a federalised super-state, without the member states being capable of being joined together in that way (at least in the foreseeable future) and without the proper informed consent of their populations. It might suit one or two member states, but that's it.

He balls'd it up as much as anyone else by sticking two fingers up at Cameron (with Cameron's ridiculous two day 're-negotiation') which sent a loud message to the electorate here that we could go and swivel so far as the unelected EU leadership were concerned! The backlash to that and his other policies was Brexit.

I didn't particularly want Brexit (although I never believed the scare stories about the sky falling in), but I reckon its pretty obvious that old arrogant alleged p*ss-head played a major role in our departure from his version of the EU. I reckon he has quite a bit to answer for - he's done the EU no favours and ought to have had the self awareness and decency to resign after the Brexit vote, given the seriousness of his failure. But, given he's not accountable to any electorate, I suppose it's no surprise he's decided that's not a course he needs to take. Therein may lie a clue to part of the problem.

[keano77]

I agree robbin

[edcam]

I passionately believe that Brexit is a huge mistake and am still very depressed about it but unfortunately this march won't make a blind bit of difference. Even if vast numbers turn up, the media will underplay it, particularly the BBC I'd imagine, bearing in mind how they've been criticised for bias (unfairly criticised IMO.)

Hats off to anyone going but sadly this horse has bolted.

[Seabag]

So we are to leave the EU, but there after, what did people actually vote for. And once the shine of sticking it to the EU is gone, then what. A country where roughly half the people got some of what they think they voted for, in leaving the EU, box ticked.

But the rest of it, the bit where the vote emboldened the government to take advantages you'd not actually consented too, in a political landscape that meant there wasn't a party left in any state to oppose the government, one that takes it as their right to do, and are doing as they wish. And that wish to keep thier own party in power and together at any cost, including the cost to our country, shocks me to the core.

Along with that, the other half of the population who didn't vote for any part of this, now watching the country they too love, take a direction they'd never dreamt it would lurch to. What does that combination of wants leave us left with. Not unity I imagine, and add to that Scottish, Irish and other division and separations that may come.

I'm not a pessimist in general, I'm not a gambler either. However, this high stakes cocking around unnerves me. It unnerves me that the unchallenged 'will of the people' schtick is the biggest misuse of power, where the real will of the many is ignored and derided.

Good luck to you, and me and us. Tho I feel we'll be needing more than luck to see us through. We'll need trust,engagement and selflessness, and all that's in short supply from what I can see.

So yes, lets march. Where to tho?

[rendelharris]

In the absence of a like button I'll just have to liberal knicker wettingly virtue signallingly tip my hat to you Seabag - well said and well put.

[red devil]

Rendel, I reckon your appearances on United Ireland marches (in the 80's?) must've been one of the earliest forms of VS, you were ahead of the curve, I salute you :)...