big fat gypsy weddings

[LadyDeliah]

Exactly right Fabricio.

[Tarot]

I see you see these girls at animal level "find a mate" at sixteen!

They would be better off dressing to find work become independent,and see there was more to living than getting

married.

[LadyDeliah]

Isn't that up to them?

Tarot, aren't you doing the same as you say the parents of these girls are doing by telling them what they should do?

[Tarot]

No I would show them a different way ,of how they could be better than Vicky Pollard type girls,and rise to

a more intellectual level.

The programme is a good measure for young girls, who with a bit of nous would think,Good God I.d hate to be like them.

Maybe if you had gone to a Appleby fair,you would be enlightened.

[Fabricio the Guido]

@Tarot, whilst I totally recognise why you suggest other options, this whole work will set you free is not always for everyone. I have this graeco Roman perception about the ephimeral innocence of youth and the possibilities that this time present. There's a reason why advertising and the media in general seem to be youth obsessed. I guess I'm slightly hesitant because of your eagerness to find nothing valuable in something that they find valuable. Young and old people make mistakes, some of these girls may end up in unsatisfactory relationships and just maybe some of them will feel like they are living fulfilled and meaningful lives.

[Tarot]

Was your early reading Mills and Boon.you have a very romantic view about young people,its not the real world though is it.

When those gypsy girls get married, they will probably be threatened not to flaunt themselves in front of men and never

dress that way again.

The end of the fairytale for them.

Your view of this little shangrila impedes progress.

Your idea is they are happy with their lot and no one should interfere.

Sounds like pond life and you are the sympathetic superior.

They allowed cameras to film them, therfore putting their lifes up for comparisans.

[LadyDeliah]

And what makes your ideas on how to live life superior to theirs then Tarot?

[katie1997]

Tarot Wrote:

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> No I would show them a different way ,of how they

> could be better than Vicky Pollard type girls,and

> rise to

> a more intellectual level.

> The programme is a good measure for young girls,

> who with a bit of nous would think,Good God I.d

> hate to be like them.

> Maybe if you had gone to a Appleby fair,you would

> be enlightened.

Yer, you still watched it though, yeah?

2/10 this time I'm afraid. See me after class. Etc.

[Tarot]

If you think women should be treated like they are fine,its your perogative.

[katie1997]

Tarot, I don't tend to base my knowledge or understanding of any subject from watching a single TV programme/documentary about it.

[Annette Curtain]

Any news from Tarot on the subject ?

(I fancy a laugh)

Or maybe she's on the front line saving every slug & beetle in her aquarius moon guise ( or should that be Pieces moon now )

( they are the same person, right ? )

:)Annette

[katie1997]

Oooh, a game of who's who? What fun ... :))

[Tarot]

Just for you Annette

 

[amanda tropy]

i tuned in for the first time last week - that grabbing thing is really quite threatening and desrespectful. It has certainly got everyone talking in my office but what is the difference between gypsy and traveller?

[oilworker]

I'm no expert but I believe the term gypsy refers to a distinct racial group found throughout Europe who have their roots in India but travelled to Europe many centuries ago. Traveller refers to any group of any racial origin with no fixed abode who travel around the country - e.g. scots and irish tinkers and laterly the so called "new age travellers" (where have they gone??)

[DJKillaQueen]

"new age travellers" (where have they gone??)

Back to their parents homes in Surrey? Or worse still, inherited their parents homes in Surrey?

[Jah Lush]

Or still lying on a beach in Goa eating up Daddy's trust fund.

[Narnia]

I'm an Irish tinker oilworker with a very fixed abode. I've travelled too. How do you classify me in your non expert way?

[DJKillaQueen]

A mongrel? ;-)

[Cas59]

I was horrified too. The courtship incidents for shocking, and what surprised me more so were the little girls danciing in what i would class as only fit for a lap dancing club,and wearing outfits that were barely covering the your children.

[Cas59]

Actualy it was not only at weddings that the young girls wore such skimpy clothing ( 4 yrs upwords ) the teenage girls wore shorts and bra tops whilst parading around the streets. Call me old fashioned, but it does not make sense and its rather a large controdiction from implemanting strict rules to the girls but then allowing them to exibit the half naked bodies.

[Tarot]

The Romanies I have met while painting at a fairground on a carousel often talked to me about"their roots" they

were told by word of mouth by their families, that they had been here from before the middle ages.

There roots were Rome,having gone their as early Christians as slaves.

They managed to escape to Europe,And coloured their skins with wild berries to disquise themselves as a nomadic tribe,

they called themselves Gypsies,and reaching Britain they travelled with the actors and fairs and sold things and

told fortunes.

I found this very informative for my studies.

The young boy in BGW knew who he was, a traveller. They used to be called Pikeies, before P.C.

[Annette Curtain]

Everyone like these Gypsies.

( but are they really gypsies though ? )

They're probably just your run of the mill misogynists really.

:(A

[lofty23]

"new age travellers" (where have they gone??)

Most of them headed to Ireland or mainland Europe after the criminal justice act in 1994. There are still a few sites in the UK. Unfortunately ketamine seems to be killing the community though

[filmmaker]

Hi All

I read his thread with interest and so felt I should add my comment / observation. I actually live opppostie a gypsy site (they prefer to be called gypsies rather than travellers) and quite recently there was a 'big fat gypsy' wedding which went on for 2 and a half days. The dresses were pretty much as they are in the documentary and the bride is 16 yrs old.

so far that much of the documentary seems to be true however, having lived oppostie the site for many years, i don't think the women are disrespected by the men, as portrayed in the prog. form where I sit, and i think i have a pretty good view point, from my living room window, it seems to be a matriarchal culture. The women seem to give as good as they get.

As a documentary maker, I know that showing them as people who just happen to live in caravans is pretty dull, it just wouldn't make a programme. I do however think there is a socio-anthropological prog there to be made.