Toast ED no more...

[MissWiggy]

We used to think it was great and went there loads - loved the food and most of all the great service from the 2 men that ran it. However I agree with ElPresidente above re the change in management - there was a marked change in service and food. The staff changed from being really helpful to disinterested and although we persevered in the hope things would pick up again, we stopped going.

On a positive note Terroirs is great (the old managers had a link to Terroirs - not sure about the recent management) and the old manager is now running a new restaurant in Sydenham - one on the list to check out!

Fingers crossed it returns in some shape or form but with better service.

[Loz]

DK_87 Wrote:

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> Have Terroirs always owned it or did it used to be

> independent?

It used to be a nice indie wine bar/wine shop called Green and Blue. Before that it was a terrible restaurant called... was it Reynolds or something?

But AFAIK they have all rented the premises.

[DK_87]

Which Sydenham restaurant?

[MissWiggy]

161 Kirkdale I think.

[LJC56]

It has been part of the Terroirs group since it stopped being Green and Blue. Whatever happens is a win-win for me since I love ToastED as it is (they get their croissants from Little Bread Pedlar which makes it the best in Lordship Lane for breakfast, in my view). And Terroirs is one of my favourite restaurants in town especially for pre theatre.

[Slocky]

Agreed, ToastED has been my favourite place in ED, possibly Londonwide too, since I moved here 3 years ago. Terroirs by Charing X is very good but not as good. And the new place will not be serving brunch. Their mushrooms on toast, and more recently the black pudding, was incredible. The staff were always lovely. It will be sorely missed.

[edcam]

I also agree that ToastED has been the best restaurant in ED since it opened. I hope this change doesn't affect their unusual and always interesting menu.

[motorbird83]

I like ToastED and yes it has always been part of the Terroir Group. The guy from Terroir came on to the forum when opening it asking the community to help come up with a name (showing my forum age).

Glad to hear it's not closing permanently

[edhistory]

It turns out that the premises (both sides) has mixed A1/A4 permissions.

An A4 wine bar can legitimately serve side dishes such a peanuts or crisps with the alcohol.

The new occupiers are unlikely to use the premises as an A3 restaurant without permission.

Mr Barber can seek enforcement action if they do.

James Barber Wrote:

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> The current premises status I believe is as an A1

> shop. They were a wine shop come delicatessen that

> also served food.

> A change of use without the correct planning

> permission would be illegal.

[Bic Basher]

Terroirs is to open on 3rd November.

[rjsmall]

MissWiggy Wrote:

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> 161 Kirkdale I think.

161 Food and Drink is the name but you are correct that the address is 161 Kirkdale. More bar snacks / sharing plates than meals but definitely worth a visit.

[Seabag]

Its owned by the same French Wine company. Terriors look and ethos is probably more honest of where they've been heading, so to fully become that makes sense.

They initially had an innovative Australian chef Mike hazel, he fought to keep doing the food he wanted and people loved. He's back in Australia now.

The big wine boss loves French bistro stlye dishes, so that's pretty much what you'll get.

It'll be nice enough, though I hope they loose that dark decor area.

[KrackersMaracas]

I loved the artwork they had up in the restaurant - hope they will be keeping it... or some of it!

[Sue]

Seabag Wrote:

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> They initially had an innovative Australian chef

> Mike hazel, he fought to keep doing the food he

> wanted and people loved. He's back in Australia

> now.

>

Lucky Australia.

The first time I ate there I wanted to lick the plate, really delicious food.

[dc]

Seabag Wrote:

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> They initially had an innovative Australian chef

> Mike hazel, he fought to keep doing the food he

> wanted and people loved. He's back in Australia

> now.

Mike Hazelwood (known as ?Hazel?) was a Kiwi and he?s back in New Zealand now.

But yes, lucky New Zealand. He was great.