Camberwell Grove - road closure / opening (Lounged)

[Maurice]

No I think perhaps we need Riot Police to do the job properly.

[dave]

I would add Frisco, it is absolutely fine to have a laugh at those perceived as 'rich toffs' but there isn't equal latitude given to those who live their lives off the system and destroy rather than create community.

Maurice, while I can understand where you are coming from, I don't think that building a wall is really creating community. The fact is that you live in the middle of a city and you have bought (I don't know, maybe you're renting, or treasuring something which was handed down to you, or you're squatting, as was frequently the case in C'well Grove not that long ago...) a house on a public road. I have no doubt that your quality of life would be improved by stopping traffic passing in front of your abode, but I also know that the same thing would apply to a lot of others - sadly it's a choice that just isn't available (generally unless you're the PM or a High Court judge in Northern Ireland...)

I think all you can do is to be thankful for the hiatus that the speed of repair on the bridge has afforded you and maybe invest in some attack dogs for when the Vandals are released to peruse your property once again...

[Maurice]

So far I've been advised attack dogs and AK47's. I shall start Googling...

[lozzyloz]

Cycled up Camberwell Grove yesterday morning. The sun was shining and the sky was a clear blue which really highlighted the autumnal colours of this beautiful treelined road with eloquent Georgian architecture on either side (ignoring the 50's council block). Definitely one of my favourite roads in South London (new thread?).

Felt quite privileged that as a member of the "Riff Raff" fraternity I was able to cycle through unchallenged. Can't blame Maurice and his neighbours for wanting to keep this little slice of beautiful London all to themselves.

Though did have this odd feeling that an AK47 laser sight was being trained on the back of my head. Maurice?

[Frisco]

"I would add Frisco, it is absolutely fine to have a laugh at those perceived as 'rich toffs' but there isn't equal latitude given to those who live their lives off the system and destroy rather than create community."

Maurice dear, you assume that I'm not a rich toff myself. Some are socially aware and do have consciences, you know, and don't wish to live in gated ivory towers. Some are also capable of accepting the rough and the smooth of living in a socially and racially mixed inner city suburb. However, if I wanted to live in isolation from my diverse surroundings and neighbours I certainly wouldn't have chosen to live in Camberwell, or ED come to that. And just for information, I am equally critical of those 'who live their lives off the system' (although I'd have to further explore you meaning of this to be sure we were on the same wavelength) and who destroy rather than create community, whatever their background.

[Maurice]

Lozzy I'm just trying to get the hang of the aiming device.

Frisco do come round for sherry. We can apply Oxford debating rules and Chav can be off limits, which will require a lot of restraint.

[Frisco]

"Frisco do come round for sherry. We can apply Oxford debating rules and Chav can be off limits, which will require a lot of restraint."

I don't drink Maurice, and I have no wish to role-play your Georgie and Lucia fantasy with you.

[Maurice]

That does explain a lot Frisco. Might I suggest yoga?

[Administrator]

Lounged

[Administrator]

This was almost Lounged for being chatty and off topic. The first post says:

In case anyone is interested and affected by the road closure, there will be a joint council and public meeting to discuss whether the bridge should be re-opened at 7pm on 1st November to be held at the Camberwell Grove Chapel next to the bridge.

Please stay on topic.

[Mr Bojangles]

Meeting is tonight

Bring your weapon of choice: AK47 or gentleman's pistol

I understand that the CG residents are rolling out the big gun lawyers to question the legality of the opening.

[Maurice]

Go Grove!

[katgod]

Have been following this thread with interest and then realised I wasn't 100% sure where CG is. Checked map, and what I thought was CG is Grove Lane. So on Saturday I will be paying a visit to see what all the fuss is about. Can anyone point out major points of interest/famous residents past or present? Maurice I promise not to throw litter or urinate anywhere, and would be happy to share a glass of sherry should you spot me during my visit.

Regards

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

I wanted to go because my daughter lives nearby and has been adversely affected by the increased traffic, but I can't make it. I might see if my daughter can go, I hope the Lyndhurst people have their legal people too.

[rceb]

The facts are that just because someone lives on a road which they'd like closed doesn't give them any legal right to have it closed. Sure it has a cost benefit to themselves but it is not in the public interest to have the road closed.

To have a road closed requires a long process such as notice periods / stopping up orders / objections / public enquiry and if necessary it has to go to the secretary of state. And just to remind everyone, the road was closed under emergency powers and its only because Network Rail and Southwark Council are insanely slow that it hasn't been re-opened.

I still haven't read a single factual reason, with evidence, of why the bridge shouldn't be re-opened. Maybe i'll hear something tonight. I doubt it though.

[rceb]

What an interesting and highly charged meeting that was. In short, the bridge will be opened with traffic lights around March 2008.

[Mr Bojangles]

It was rather fun.

I thought the CG residents (those who wanted the road to remained closed) were made to look rather silly and totally selfish.

[downsouth]

(tu) commonsense and the greater good prevails.

[Ondine]

oh good I was starting to worry about the swearing lolliepop lady's prospects. Roll on reopening.

[Frisco]

"Can anyone point out major points of interest/famous residents past or present?"

I think the last person of any real note and public prominence was Joseph Chamberlain.

[SimonM]

>> think the last person of any real note and public prominence was Joseph Chamberlain.<<

Hmmm...Jenny Agutter used to live on it, and way back in the 70's Albert Finney shared a house with Diana Quick there for a while.

SimonM

[Mr Bojangles]

Lorraine Chase sold up recently. I had a look round the house when it was on the market.

Not sure if that is someone of real note though

[rceb]

what has famous people living on CG got to do with the bridge closure? if you want to continue this highly interesting topic then open your own thread.

[*Bob*]

Maurice - did you go to the meeting?

[Administrator]

As stated by rceb, please stay on topic