Alleyn's school neighbors - good or bad?

[RubyGraeme]

I am furious. I have just seen one of the Alleyn's grounds staff blowing leaves and debris from their garden in the grounds of the school, through the railings, onto the pavement and curb of Hillsborough Road. I asked him what would happen to the debris, he replied "the council will pick it up". I know that the Southwark Street cleaning team have cleaned and swept the road and pavements here in the last two weeks, it was looking spotless. I would have thought that a business such as Alleyn's who can afford plenty of grounds staff and equipment could be more responsible for their own waste. Not very neighbourly and costs local residents more in taxes. Any suggestions as to whom I can contact?

 

[Angelina]

I would report them to both the school and the council.

My friend worked for Southwark Environmental Services, cleaning the streets and it's grinding work. They would be inspected and told off if an area they had said they'd cleaned was obviously not (natural additions excepted).

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/street-care

I would probably choose Report Dumped Rubbish

[theron]

Typically selfish and ignorant behaviour from Alleyn's (and those working for them) yet again. We live close by too and have struggled for years with their unwillingness to consider the residents who live nearby. Perhaps a report might do the trick, but without wanting to sound too pessimistic, I have found the blame just gets pushed backwards and forwards and nothing is ever actually chased up. Good luck!

[JoeLeg]

Alleyns really don?t give two figs for anyone but themselves, and they never have.

The rot set in under the headmaster Colin Niven, as unpleasant a money-obsessed piece of work as you could have the misfortune to encounter, who told a parent of my acquaintance ?This is a business, not a school?.

If you don?t spend money with them, they?ll ignore you.

[tomdhu]

Look at in a more balance manner please.

1. The trees are the Council's responsibility.

2. The Council chose this species of tree (London Plane)

3. This species is deciduous.

4. The leaves from the trees fall on the pavement and into surrounding properties.

5. This species also sheds bark huge numbers of fluffy seed balls which provoke hay fever.

6. This debris clogs up the drains every year in the Autumn.

The Council would have saved a massive amount of money if they had chosen to plant a species that didnt come with all this baggage.

Why knock Alleyn's when it is a problem the Council chose to create?

[ed_pete]

I'd recommend that you email the Bursar, Estates Bursar and cc in the local ward councillors.

https://www.alleyns.org.uk/page.aspx?id=33

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=WARD&VW=TABLE&PIC=1

(Goose Green)

[JoeLeg]

tomdhu Wrote:

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> Look at in a more balance manner please.

>

> 1. The trees are the Council's responsibility.

But this is to do with leaves etc from plants *on Alleyns property*, which are Alleyns responsibility to dispose of.

> 2. The Council chose this species of tree (London

> Plane)

> 3. This species is deciduous.

> 4. The leaves from the trees fall on the pavement

> and into surrounding properties.

> 5. This species also sheds bark huge numbers of

> fluffy seed balls which provoke hay fever.

> 6. This debris clogs up the drains every year in

> the Autumn.

None of that has anything to do with the plants *on Alleyns property*.

>

> The Council would have saved a massive amount of

> money if they had chosen to plant a species that

> didnt come with all this baggage.

>

Probably, but that?s a different conversation.

> Why knock Alleyn's when it is a problem the

> Council chose to create?

Well, because this is nothing to do with the councils trees?

The OP *specifically* refers to an Alleyns employee blowing debris from fauna on Alleyns property out onto the street and nonchalantly expecting the council to pick it up.

Sorry, but I would respectfully suggest you?ve misunderstood the OP.

[Penguin68]

fauna - animals - it's flora for plants. Unless the debris being blown into the road includes e.g. poo (or dead animals)

[tomdhu]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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>

>

> The OP *specifically* refers to an Alleyns

> employee blowing debris from fauna on Alleyns

> property out onto the street and nonchalantly

> expecting the council to pick it up.

>

> Sorry, but I would respectfully suggest you?ve

> misunderstood the OP.

Don't think so. The photo doesn't lie. The photo shows the guy with the blower is on the pavement and cannot therefor be blowing the leaves and debris through the railings out on to the pavement.

[JoeLeg]

tomdhu Wrote:

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> JoeLeg Wrote:

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> >

> >

> > The OP *specifically* refers to an Alleyns

> > employee blowing debris from fauna on Alleyns

> > property out onto the street and nonchalantly

> > expecting the council to pick it up.

> >

> > Sorry, but I would respectfully suggest you?ve

> > misunderstood the OP.

>

> Don't think so. The photo doesn't lie.

I love the idea that you think a photo tells an exact tale! For all we know that?s just a photo of the individual concerned after they finished their work.

The photo

> shows the guy with the blower is on the pavement

> and cannot therefor be blowing the leaves and

> debris through the railings out on to the

> pavement.

In which case there is a discrepancy between the visual image of the photo and the written words of the OP.

?I have just seen one of the Alleyn's grounds staff blowing leaves and debris from their garden in the grounds of the school, through the railings, onto the pavement and curb of Hillsborough Road. I asked him what would happen to the debris, he replied "the council will pick it up".

The way I read that, an Alleyns employee is blowing flora debris out of the school grounds and onto the street, presumably in order to avoid having to take and bag the leaves etc. If so, that?s pretty poor.

Hopefully the OP can come back on here to clarify exactly what they saw.

[Asset]

I live here. Alleyn?s do this fairly regularly. Agreed that it is not on. (Almost) literally passing the buck.

Edited to add a full stop...

[Asset]

Ed-pete?s suggestion of emailing the bursar and the council cleansing dept. probably the best option

[tomdhu]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> tomdhu Wrote:

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> >

> > Don't think so. The photo doesn't lie.

>

> I love the idea that you think a photo tells an

> exact tale! For all we know that?s just a photo of

> the individual concerned after they finished their

> work.

>

> The photo

> > shows the guy with the blower is on the

> pavement

> > and cannot therefor be blowing the leaves and

> > debris through the railings out on to the

> > pavement.

>

> In which case there is a discrepancy between the

> visual image of the photo and the written words of

> the OP.

>

> ?I have just seen one of the Alleyn's grounds

> staff blowing leaves and debris from their garden

> in the grounds of the school, through the

> railings, onto the pavement and curb of

> Hillsborough Road. I asked him what would happen

> to the debris, he replied "the council will pick

> it up".

>

> The way I read that, an Alleyns employee is

> blowing flora debris out of the school grounds and

> onto the street, presumably in order to avoid

> having to take and bag the leaves etc. If so,

> that?s pretty poor.

>

> Hopefully the OP can come back on here to clarify

> exactly what they saw.

Absolutely! The photo indicates there is a severe credibility issue in the OP.

If the guy had finished blowing the leaves out through the railings, why would he be outside the railings?

There appears to be no trees inside the railings ( I will check tomorrow) so he couldn't be blowing out leaves and debris that originated inside Alleyns.

Could it be that the OP has an old axe to grind?

[JoeLeg]

tomdhu

>

> Absolutely! The photo indicates there is a severe

> credibility issue in the OP.

>

> If the guy had finished blowing the leaves out

> through the railings, why would he be outside the

> railings?

>

> There appears to be no trees inside the railings (

> I will check tomorrow) so he couldn't be blowing

> out leaves and debris that originated inside

> Alleyns.

>

> Could it be that the OP has an old axe to grind?

Do you work for Alleyns or something?

You seem intent on deliberately ignoring what the OP *wrote*, instead focusing on the photo and somehow believing that tells the whole story.

Do you have a particular axe to grind against the council? Because that?s all you came on this thread to do.

[rendelharris]

tomdhu Wrote:

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> Could it be that the OP has an old axe to grind?

Perhaps in the interests of disclosure, if you're accusing others of grinding axes, you should mention that you're an old Alleynian?

[Townleygreen]

Apologies in advance for the pedantry!

Old Alleynian refers to Dulwich College not Alleyn's.

Confusing, I know.

I think they're known as Alleyn's Old Boys/Girls.

[rendelharris]

Always interested to learn something new! How funny, played rugby several times against Old Alleynians and never realised they were from the College.

[tomdhu]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> tomdhu Wrote:

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> > Could it be that the OP has an old axe to

> grind?

>

> Perhaps in the interests of disclosure, if you're

> accusing others of grinding axes, you should

> mention that you're an old Alleynian?

Wrong again Rendel.

[uncleglen]

I have a massive tree outside my house in the street. The debris is continuous. My neighbour regularly sweeps his front garden and all the leaves etc end up in the gutter....and then get blown around

[singalto]

The picture posted by the OP shows trees which are not in the Alleyn?s ground and I see no trees on the school?s side of the fence.

[Penguin68]

If the Alleyn's groundsman was actually blowing leaves from street trees out of Alleyn's grounds and into the street that doesn't seem quite so heinous.

[uncleglen]

A few leaves- how absolutely precious! If you people are so anti-public- school (because let's face it- you are) why don't you go and live in another area.

One of my in-laws used to turn red with rage every time I mentioned that my intelligent child went to Alleyn's on a government assisted place - paid for by the TAX payer- including her. I suppose I should have ferried my kid to a grammar school in Kent like Harriet Harman did!

[JoeLeg]

The cognitive dissonance is strong with you today Uncle...impressive, even by your low standards.

[rendelharris]

Ah brilliant - back to the old "why don't you go and live in Russia?"! Bless you Uncle, you're a blast from the past. Round about the Neolithic period, I reckon.

[Mick Mac]

RubyGraeme Wrote:

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> I am furious.

Get a life. Jeez