Babies and prams in Pubs!

[the-e-dealer]

The Uplands - Now the Actress used to have little kids in it up til closing time. I think that is close to child abuse. There needs to be a watershed.

[david_carnell]

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> As I've said before, personally the two groups I

> find most annoying in pubs are:

>

> - Twatty 20 somethings with stupid haircuts and

> opinions with crapy taste in music

> - Braying rugger buggers

:-$

Err - am I allowed out at all?

[the-e-dealer]

Not if you are 20 something with a stupid haircut and a rugger bugger! :-)

[StraferJack]

nothing a year or two and a haircut can't sort out DC ;-)

[Otta]

British attitude to alcohol

rather than a drink as much as you can

alcohol will become associated with the

food and the socialisation

That sounds rather dull. I do take your point, but equally, I quite like being able to get out occasionally to get drunk without the kids.

[Pickle]

A lose lose situation David - age, hair, rugby and pram. House arrest it is ;-)

[glau]

My children have now grown out of their prams and buggies and are teenagers and thus blight OP's enjoyment of our local pubs in all sorts of other ways no doubt. I do apologise.

[david_carnell]

Blimey - I'm buggered on future pub visits.

Either I upset the old men due to my rugby top, silly hair (jealousy is a terrible thing) and an opinion they don't like or I'm contributing to the decline in traditional values where kids were seen and not heard and left outside the pub with an arrowroot biscuit because I will dare bring them inside and allow them to be comfortable and confident amongst adults. You know, like the Spanish.

And if I don't go to these places then they'll close down and I'm partially responsible for the decline of the great British pub.

Help me.

[BB100]

Fab David :))

It's just another example of how many people are intolerant of children. No wonder when they get a bit older they feel justified to go riot when society keeps telling them to shut-up and go away.

[mrs scoop]

Saila Wrote:

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> i'm still getting over the fact that *women* are

> turning up in boozers... jeezus

>

> where do you draw the line?

Hahahalollol! This thread is hilarious! Thanks for bringing a smile to my grey, drizzly, quiet day!

Please continue!!!!>:D<

[Damian H]

Moos Wrote:

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> I've never heard yummy mummy used except as an

> expression of hatred. Except in about 1990 an in

> re: Liz Hurley.

I have NEVER heard the term used as an expression of hatred.

[Damian H]

I was recently in MPC on LL and there were two mothers in with prams and children. The two prams had been stowed in the narrow aisle by the seats in the window, meaning that five seats were completely unaccesible during the profitable lunch-time. The mothers obviously were sitting elsewhere and from what I could see while I was in looked like they were there for the duration.

The staff were commendably patient but I thought it selfish beyond belief of the mothers. MPC has perhaps 30 covers inside maximum and two mums were taking up about one third of their capacity for two adults and two kids at their busiest time of the day.

That is the sort of attitude that leads to the OP.

[maxxi]

MPC?

[Damian H]

BB100 Wrote:

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> Fab David :))

>

> It's just another example of how many people are

> intolerant of children. No wonder when they get a

> bit older they feel justified to go riot when

> society keeps telling them to shut-up and go away.

I have yet to notice an attitude in ED that children are less than indulged and allowed to do as they please whenever and wherever they please. That, I think, is the experience that those who are 'intolerant' of children have noted and objected to, and this unrestrained indulgence at the expense of others would, I suspect, be much more likely to create self-entitled rioters with no concept of boundaries.

[helena handbasket]

This is kind of ridiculous and shows that you've not entered anywhere with a pram.

One of two things happen: you are either told that there is no room for the pram and please park it outside, or the staff show you a suitable place to park it and worry about where it goes next if they see it as a problem. If you wanted the table, they would move the pram.

It's pretty hard to sympathize with massive generalizations. I know that some children have bad days, as do some parents and *gasp horror* childless people have bad days as well.

There's always some smug a-hole who has treat the waitress like crap, for example. Ruins my day out. How do we ban them?

Damian H Wrote:

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> I was recently in MPC on LL and there were two

> mothers in with prams and children. The two prams

> had been stowed in the narrow aisle by the seats

> in the window, meaning that five seats were

> completely unaccesible during the profitable

> lunch-time. The mothers obviously were sitting

> elsewhere and from what I could see while I was in

> looked like they were there for the duration.

>

> The staff were commendably patient but I thought

> it selfish beyond belief of the mothers. MPC has

> perhaps 30 covers inside maximum and two mums were

> taking up about one third of their capacity for

> two adults and two kids at their busiest time of

> the day.

>

> That is the sort of attitude that leads to the OP.

[peckhamboy]

maxxi Wrote:

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> MPC?

I wondered that too. I think it must be Mon Petit Chou. To be fair, there's not much space anywhere in there to put prams elsewhere but I'm sure if the staff were bothered they would have perhaps asked to put the prams out the back (unless it was raining?)

[StraferJack]

"I have NEVER heard the term used as an expression of hatred."

hatred is a strong term - perhaps disdain is more frequent

this sort of thing

But I have come across people who take it to another level

[DaveR]

"I was recently in MPC on LL and there were two mothers in with prams and children. The two prams had been stowed in the narrow aisle by the seats in the window, meaning that five seats were completely unaccesible during the profitable lunch-time. The mothers obviously were sitting elsewhere and from what I could see while I was in looked like they were there for the duration.

The staff were commendably patient but I thought it selfish beyond belief of the mothers. MPC has perhaps 30 covers inside maximum and two mums were taking up about one third of their capacity for two adults and two kids at their busiest time of the day.

That is the sort of attitude that leads to the OP."

"I have yet to notice an attitude in ED that children are less than indulged and allowed to do as they please whenever and wherever they please. That, I think, is the experience that those who are 'intolerant' of children have noted and objected to, and this unrestrained indulgence at the expense of others would, I suspect, be much more likely to create self-entitled rioters with no concept of boundaries."

Damian, I sense you're getting outraged again. So which is worse, and more invasive of your human rights - parent and child parking spaces or mums in cafes?

If you read carefully (go on , try!) you will find that the OP was complaining about children in pubs - places many people go in the hope that they are primarily catering for adults, what with the boozing, swearing etc. Not cafes, at lunchtime. I have some sympathy with the OP, but you are, as always, just making youself look ridiculous (in a purple-faced, ultra-indignant, yet somehow comical way).

[david_carnell]

DaveR Wrote:

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> If you read carefully (go on , try!) you will find

> that the OP was complaining about children in pubs

> - places many people go in the hope that they are

> primarily catering for adults, what with the

> boozing, swearing etc. Not cafes, at lunchtime.

> I have some sympathy with the OP, but you are, as

> always, just making youself look ridiculous (in a

> purple-faced, ultra-indignant, yet somehow comical

> way).

Purple faced?

I'd suggest purple headed. Like a womb ferret.

Christ, I don't even have my child yet and I'm feeling a need to defend myself. This is ridiculous.

I propose invoking Brendan's Law - if in doubt, try not to be a fuck-wit.

[helena handbasket]

Many pubs are luring mothers and children with play groups, play rooms, climbing frames and child menus. They even advertise in the Family Room! I'm no genius, but that feels like an invitation to bring children. Some pubs are killing themselves to draw in some afternoon customers and this is what they've come up with.

So I'm thinking, if you see a play room or climber and you don't want to be around families, maybe this isn't the pub for you? Seems like the pub has figured out who is paying the rent. There are still lots of places for a bitter old man to sit and scowl with a pint.

Agree with Otta, though, evenings are for adults and the kiddies should be home in bed.

JimmyMc1311 Wrote:

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> Some pubs do it well and actually hide the kids at

> the back. It's great. Almost like that wonderful

> city in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.I would however

> politely disagree with Chantelle when she says

> that children are'welcomed' in the majority of

> pubs. Maybe the bigwigs at the top of the brewery

> chain might welcome kids, but the rolling eyes of

> the barstaff, and those of the other adults who up

> until then were having a good time would disagree

> when the peace and calm is shattered by screams

> and cries.

[helena handbasket]

Moos Wrote:

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> I've never heard yummy mummy used except as an

> expression of hatred.

And always with a sneer.

[Otta]

East Dulwich = Area with lots of families and small children.

Pub = A business.

Successful. business = Caters for local demographic.

Not too difficult to get your head round. Just as long as they piss off in the evening, it's no biggy.

Still can't really see the attraction of sharing your drinking time with your sprogs though.

[Damian H]

DaveR Wrote:

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> "I was recently in MPC on LL and there were two

> mothers in with prams and children. The two prams

> had been stowed in the narrow aisle by the seats

> in the window, meaning that five seats were

> completely unaccesible during the profitable

> lunch-time. The mothers obviously were sitting

> elsewhere and from what I could see while I was in

> looked like they were there for the duration.

>

were commendably patient but I thought

> it selfish beyond belief of the mothers. MPC has

> perhaps 30 covers inside maximum and two mums were

> taking up about one third of their capacity for

> two adults and two kids at their busiest time of

> the day.

>

> That is the sort of attitude that leads to the

> OP."

>

> "I have yet to notice an attitude in ED that

> children are less than indulged and allowed to do

> as they please whenever and wherever they please.

> That, I think, is the experience that those who

> are 'intolerant' of children have noted and

> objected to, and this unrestrained indulgence at

> the expense of others would, I suspect, be much

> more likely to create self-entitled rioters with

> no concept of boundaries."

>

> Damian, I sense you're getting outraged again. So

> which is worse, and more invasive of your human

> rights - parent and child parking spaces or mums

> in cafes?

>

> If you read carefully (go on , try!) you will find

> that the OP was complaining about children in pubs

> - places many people go in the hope that they are

> primarily catering for adults, what with the

> boozing, swearing etc. Not cafes, at lunchtime.

> I have some sympathy with the OP, but you are, as

> always, just making youself look ridiculous (in a

> purple-faced, ultra-indignant, yet somehow comical

> way).

Dave, you are unintentionally hilarious. You just cant get rid of your need to hallucinate things that fit your fantasies can you?

Let it go. Grow up. Accept that the world is bigger than your personal prejudices. It is usually by the time most people are three or four that they have learnt the concept that there are other perspectives on the world that are different from their own and just as (perhaps more) valid. It's called developing Theory of Mind. Look it up on Wikipaedia.

Until then you will just have to put up with your little foot stamping tantrums and purple "I'll hold my breathe until I die!" tizzies and deal with them by projecting them onto other people. I think I saw you the other day in MPC actually. You were the one with the runny nose in the high chair and you were crying because mummy had taken your rattle away weren't you? Bless! Everyone was laughing at you....again.

[Sue]

Damian H Wrote:

> Until then you will just have to put up with your

> little foot stamping tantrums and purple "I'll

> hold my breathe until I die!" tizzies and deal

> with them by projecting them onto other people. I

> think I saw you the other day in MPC actually.

> You were the one with the runny nose in the high

> chair and you were crying because mummy had taken

> your rattle away weren't you? Bless! Everyone

> was laughing at you....again.

xxxxxx

I think it's you who needs to grow up, judging by this post.

[Damian H]

Oh, and DaveR, I think you'll find that most grown ups find that a discussion can evolve to include similar themes and circumstances. So a discussion of prams and buggies taking up space in pubs can quite easily expand to talking about prams and buggies taking up spaces in other hostelries.

Your literalism and inflexible thinking is a little alarming - have you been assessed for presence on the autistic spectrum at all?