Drug Policy

[Keef]

All I can really say to this arguement is that I have done more damage to myself and my finances through drinking than I have through drugs, and I have never been arrested for it.

[Brendan]

What? As in:

Here is my handle and here is my spout.

Anyway

One of the others puts you at risk of being struck down by a terrible affliction that makes you think that crystals are deep.

The other just makes idiots think that other people care about their opinions.

[Asset]

roughly yes Brendan, a certain amount of gurning involved as well. ususally perfomred by the male of the species.

I'll have you know, crystals are deep and my opinions are valid.

[Brendan]

The last time I did that I got sent to the headmaster's office!

[Klaus]

Yeah, cocaine is the hole in my argument which i haven't resolved yet. Too many nights out in Soho with colleagues talking and behaving like proper plums have prejudiced my view somewhat. I suppose if it was legal it would help to sort out the ethically dubious supply chain.

Obviously, police will have to divert resources to stop incidents silly dancing and rubbish talking.

[Brendan]

Let?s be honest. Alcohol is to blame for more silly dancing and rubbish talking than all the other drugs put together.

[char1ie]

Personally I think it's time that hallucinogens come back into fashion.

Bring back:

http://www.me.ngb.army.mil/ddr/LSD%20pics/lsd6.gif

http://www.talktofrank.com/uploadedImages/Drugs/LARGE%20PHOTOS_lsd.jpg

http://www.hypereall.com/images/acid/lsd_blotter_ap_plastikman.jpg

Maybe New Year's Eve at the neighbours house.

Charlie

[Brendan]

Oh the memories.

..... mostly bright orange and bent for some reason?

[char1ie]

And with things twirling and shifting...

Charlie

[Brendan]

And that stuff never came from a dubious supply chain. It was sewn together into patchwork quilts by (very) little old ladies who lived in toadstools.

[Keef]

Mmmm double dipped strawberries.

[Asset]

One could always get hallucinogens free off the golf course thus removing any dubious supply chain.

[*Bob*]

I'd be too scared to do anything more than a nibble of acid these days. I'd get The Fear.

It's best done when you're young and foolish.

[Brendan]

So let us recap here.

Alcohol, Ecstasy, Cannabis and Cocaine. All of these drugs have at least one of the following effects on you.

1 ? Make you dance like an idiot.

2 ? Make you raid the fridge and eat strange combinations of food.

3 ? Make you loud, opinionated and arrogant.

Only one however does all three.

[Brendan]

Oh and unlike acid, none of them are particularly likely to make you think that you may be a boot.

... and that being a boot is fine for now.

[lozzyloz]

Just seen Mark's post on the EDF Review thread:

Apparently on the EDF "There are now 2,646 registered users"

How does he know??

[Mark]

because this forum is just one big 24hr needle exchange in disguise, user.

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

Charlie - you said

" Amanda, your first post said "I think all drugs should be legalised". "

but you forgot to include "with some form of licensing" so I would now like you to point out where I deviated from this opinion please seeing as how you have said on more than one occasion that I have changed my mind and I am confused as to how you could have reached that conclusion!

[????]

Charlie

a pointless point is an impossibilty

[char1ie]

Sorry Amanda, I thought you'd started this thread by saying that you thought all drugs should be legalised. And ended by saying prohibition isn't working, we need a rethink.

Did I make a mistake? They're not the same things.

I think everybody would agree that there are areas of drug control that don't work. But not many people seem to want all drugs to be legalised, even with a degree of licensing.

Charlie

[SeanMacGabhann]

lozzyloz and Mark

Stay on topic please!

;-)

[mockney piers]

Wow, interesting stuff, and great to see a debate stay civil over 4 pages!! Bravo.

A couple of scattershot points from me.

Acid hasn't had fatalities but can result in acute and/or chronic psychosis, I ended up with a couple of months of anxiety attacks after overdoing it in my youth.

*Bob* I 'got it' back in 1990, and it was an amazing time, though I think that vibe (eek, horrible word) died very quickly as alcohol and cocaine seeped then flooded back into the scene. I haven't been near those little pills in 15 years now.

But again harmless they ain't. Apart from the techno anoraks and house muic bores, I also saw friends become horrible weekenders, some of whom ended up spiralling into severe depression as your serotonin depletion gets you all over the shop and one of whom keeled over into his sunday lunch at his mum's, dead as a doornail, his heart just gave up; might have been a year of taking 10-20 pills over a weekend, might have been entirely unrelated.

And just as a point for discussion, there are NO drugs here in Singapore. Severe penalties for possession and death for smuggling.

It might be prohibition working, it might be that policing the borders of an island city state is much easier. Plus next to no crime nor violence. Nor democracy nor police, apart from the hordes of secret ones.

Illiberal place, but it certainly functions.

[Keef]

They don't have chewing gum either ;-)

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

or freedom?

[lozzyloz]

Freedom?

Freedom to:

Walk home late at night without fear of being mugged by some crack head?

Know my kids will not be offered drugs outside the school gates?

Know that my wife can wear what she wants with out fear of harrasment or worse?

To protect my home without first considering my family's attackers human rights?

Let my kids play on the street without fear of them being violently separated from their possessions?

I think I could handle a ban on chewing gum and a tougher stance on drug related crime.