The slapstick fun that is the Catholic Church

[????]

Enraged SJ? Nope, just chortling at it - I genuienely love all you smug, hypocrtical, liberal metropiltans. Nothing unites you like having your easy prejudices and 'safe ground' positions questioned. But you're becoming a too easy target - maybe I'll go an pick on the Scientologists. With my anger and wrath..oh and persecution complex :))

[StraferJack]

You keep repeating that without backing it up in this context. What gives?

[????]

I live among them. I work with them. I drink with you all.....I'm surrounded...I'M PERSECUTED

[Michael Palaeologus]

Quids - you have your lawn. Count your blessings whilst mowing and rolling.

[????]

I shall praise God/Allah/Yahew et al

[Jeremy]

Quids, how is it "prejudiced" to criticise the large-scale cover up of child abuse? I just don't get it. Would it make you happier if there were parallel threads criticising honour killings, forced marriages, genital mutilation, stoning of rape victims, etc?

[Ted Max]

I'm like: maybe describing religion as ridiculous mumbo jumbo is more offensive (and patronising, which as we all know is the worst thing you can be on the EDF) to the faithful than condemning those who have abused that faith and trust.

(But then I don't really give a toss about the abuse, it's just a convenient pretext for me to give free reign to my existing anti-Papist prejudices.

Not too keen on the Jews either, natch, which is why you won't find me starting threads about those power-mad c*nts who recruit young girls and boys, strap explosives to them and detonate them in shopping malls. Or who lift young boys away from poor families in rural Pakistan, indoctrinate them in so-called maddrassahs, abuse them, and send them to die half way up a mountain fighting an enemy they can't see.

^I've sent Nick Cohen the cheque for this bit^)

[jelly]

@ Jeremy

Please don't lend some sort of legitimacy to the barbaric and utterly selfish acts of filicide in the muslim community by pre-fixing killing with honour. However percieved, there's no 'honour' in it at all. It's murder, plain and simple. Nothing against you persoanlly, it's just that I can't tolerate the air of justification carried by the word honour when used to describe murderous acts at the behest of their chauvinsistic, Stone Age culture.

[woodrot]

"Honour" in terms of organised religion is shorthand for the continued assertion of male power, despite mealy mouthed shitehawks claiming otherwise - women are still chattels to most religions, to be bought and sold as required.

If there is a God, then he should hopefully be waiting for these fuckers to come along and meet him so he can smite their parochial, narrow minded posteriors before sending them on the down elevator to meet Satan.

[Jeremy]

Jelly, it's certainly not my idea of "honour", that's just how it tends to be referred to in the media. Barbaric, stone-age culture? Yes, I would agree.

But is it not also true that the catholic church is chauvinistic (albeit to a lesser extent)?

[woodrot]

Catholisism is more about Mary than the baby Jebus - the virgin mother fetishised by repressed men who have no experience of dealing with the opposite sex in real life - its logical to conclude that real women are second class when measured against this yardstick.

[BrandNewGuy]

jelly Wrote:

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> ...their chauvinsistic, Stone Age

> culture.

Entirely agree about the twisted use of 'honour', but talking of being careful with words, it's perhaps not helpful to use 'Stone Age' in a derogatory way. It's likely that pre-farming hunter-gathering tribes were more often than not highly egalitarian, non-chauvinistic and given to sharing. Post-Stone Age agriculture and urban development, however, gave rise to notions of wealth, status and honour of which extreme chauvinism and murderous family violence are cruel descendents.

[woodrot]

lalalalalalalalalalalala

[woodrot]

a parting word - I have no issue with personal belief. As long as it doesnt affect me or my life, then I have no problem with anyone beleiving whatever they want. I know a few people with strong belief and I can honestly say, they are decent, caring and straight folk, who contribute much more to society than I will ever do.

This is not a rant at you or your faith.

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