LTN: Our Healthy Streets - Dulwich: Phase 3

[KidKruger]

Oh I don?t know that counsellors are to blame, these days it seems that any disagreement around lifestyle/politics/climate change/anything means direct confrontation.

[Rockets]

There is a concerted effort to try and shame anyone who dares challenge the pro-LTN narrative at the moment and it has gone into overdrive following the protest.

It seems attack is the only form of defensive some people have to counter rational and pragmatic analysis of the true reality of LTNs.

[Penguin68]

I wouldn't worry, a lot of things that go in the blue bins can't actually be recycled - crushed tins and plastic bottles, even where made of recyclable materials, often are rejected if their shape doesn't conform to expectations. As is anything but bone dry cardboard (which would, actually, work well as a composted material, but can't be put in the kitchen and garden waste!).

[slarti b]

KidKruger Wrote:

Oh I don?t know that counsellors are to blame

I disagree. Our local councillors should consider their duty to represent their constituents and to comply with Southwark Council code of conduct, see https://www.southwark.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/councillors-and-mps/your-councillors?chapter=2.

[Otto2]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/net-zero-strategy

[slarti b]

@Otto2

What is your point? I think Dulwich is way ahead of that, and the councils targets for active travel, already.

Edited to add, have you changed your link?

[Otto2]

I am not making a point. I am providing a link to information and details about transport policy goals re: the Gov't net zero strategy. I have not changed the link.

I specifically avoided making a point to keep things neutral. It is a good read.

[slarti b]

Otto,

When I first saw you post it seemed to link to an article about % of short journeys in London that could be made by active travel. Hence my response that, in Dulwich, there was an extremely high level of active travel before the road closuree, much igher than in the rest of Southwark.

Re the link you currently have, diverting traffic onto the displacement roads, increasing congestion and idling, is not going to help teh Govt's "strategy".

[heartblock]

Nice link - how exactly does diverting traffic from wealthy areas of Dulwich Village to less wealthy and higher density residential roads 'build back greener'? Do tell?

[ab29]

Southwark News on the recent anti LTN demo. Looking forward to the future ones!

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/a-thousand-voices-cry-out-against-dulwich-ltns/?fbclid=IwAR01hHisVnseziS11nGsWh7AHbNcZIvgc7XQMOmz3OHbDsFinPvrHkARX8k

[Rockets]

That's a great article, not least because I am sure many of the usual suspects will be bombarding Southwark News with....it wasn't 1,000 people messages....;-)

All we need now is for some media to challenge Cllr Rose on demonstrating her claims of "extraordinary impact in increasing active travel and reducing car use" to take this story to another level. Unfortunately for all the bluster the council's claims don't stand up well under scrutiny. I did think it was interesting that in the BBC Radio London interview Cllr Williams kept trying to talk about Southwark wide and the interviewer kept trying to get him to focus just on Dulwich. I suspect the council knows the Dulwich numbers don't add up.

[ab29]

From South London Press:

Pensioners against Dulwich LTN (September 2021):

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/fears-of-car-fines-and-of-isolation-for-dulwich-pensioners/

About LTN in Lewisham - ambulance service reporting delay caused by LTN (from March 2021)

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/ambulance-service-reports-ltn-traffic-blocks-delayed-a-life-threatening-call/

[Bicknell]

traffic orders for duwlcih are up on southwark site

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/traffic-orders-licensing-strategies-and-regulation/traffic-management-orders?chapter=5

look at drawing for calton ave. cant see how an ambulance gets through

interesting that drawing done by MNRP - same as did options report. not really that independant, then.

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s101520/Appendix%20F2%20-%20Options%20review%20Report.pdf

[Metallic]

Bicknell Wrote:

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> traffic orders for duwlcih are up on southwark

> site

>

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/t

> raffic-orders-licensing-strategies-and-regulation/

> traffic-management-orders?chapter=5

>

> look at drawing for calton ave. cant see how an

> ambulance gets through

>

> interesting that drawing done by MNRP - same as

> did options report. not really that independant,

> then.

>

> https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s1015

> 20/Appendix%20F2%20-%20Options%20review%20Report.p

> df

Be interesting if a 999 call LFB turned in when a load of cyclists come down Calton Ave, because of course it is their right of way, or so they are always saying.

[rupert james]

Bicknell Wrote:

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> traffic orders for duwlcih are up on southwark

> site

>

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/t

> raffic-orders-licensing-strategies-and-regulation/

> traffic-management-orders?chapter=5

>

> look at drawing for calton ave. cant see how an

> ambulance gets through

>

> interesting that drawing done by MNRP - same as

> did options report. not really that independant,

> then.

>

> https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s1015

> 20/Appendix%20F2%20-%20Options%20review%20Report.p

> df

Rachel Gates.

I am now on leave and will be returning Wednesday 27th October. I will have limited access to my emails during this time so if there is anything urgent please contact [email protected]

Query the TMO and this comes up.

Would have thought if they give a name for the TMO's they would be there to answer any queries. Perhaps hoping you might just forget

[Spartacus]

The consultation on the new TMOs opened on the 21st and runs through to the 11th November

Details of the results of the recent consultation are here

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/dulwich-review?chapter=3

[Spartacus]

Anyone wishing to object to or make any other representations regarding the proposals, may use the form labelled 'Parking - Road traffic and highway schemes - responding to statutory

consultation notices' at https://www.southwark.gov.uk/statutoryconsultationnotices or send a statement

in writing to: the Traffic Orders Officer, Highways, Southwark Council, Environment and Leisure,

P.O. Box 64529, London SE1P 5LX or by e-mail to [email protected] quoting

reference the reference for each individual traffic order by 11 November 2021.

TMOs are

?TMO2122-EXP13_Melbourne Grove north?

?TMO2122-EXP14_Grove Vale Trial?.

?TMO2122-015_DS Calton Avenue area?

?TMO2122-16_DS Champion Hill?

?TMO2122-017_DS East Dulwich area'

?TMO2122-18_DS Melbourne Grove south?

?TMO2122-19_DS bus, cycle and taxi routes?

[Jb112jb]

Does anyone know what an SC2 permit is? I can?t seem to find any reference to this permit on the Southwark website. We live on a street that has proposed camera controlled times and the only exemptions are for SC2 permit holders.

[rupert james]

Probably for those that have adopted a polar bear.

[Bicknell]

rupert james Wrote:

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> Probably for those that have adopted a polar bear.

thank you, made me laugh

[CPR Dave]

Would not surprise me if it was "Southwark Councillors 2"

[legalalien]

I?m going to guess either (i) something to do with social care or (ii) the kind of exemptions for residents on school streets that it looks like Waltham Forest has (labelled things like SC1, SC2 etc - see https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/schoolstreets), or (iii) Southwark has considered (ii) and decided not to but left a ref in the TMO by mistake. Disclaimer - haven?t looked at the TMOs yet. Jb112jb are you on a school street?

[malumbu]

rupert james Wrote:

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> Probably for those that have adopted a polar bear.

Rather than scoff about climate change and the impact it is having, perhaps you can do something about it.

Bicknell - no, I didn't find it funny.

40 years time "granddad/grandma what did you do during the great climate crisis of the mid 20th century" - "Oh sunny Jim/Jan, I made facetious remarks"

Anyway, laid down the gauntlet - would be interested to hear what you are both doing to reduce your CO2 emissions including your transport carbon footprint.

[colville09]

Well, a little internet search has produced the answer! A SC2 permit is to trade as a nail bar - SC2 Nail treatments licence terms and conditions (Greenwich Council. Makes perfect sense given the way Southwark is acting

[ianr]

SC2 appears to be a [CPZ] "permit identifier" as defined in Schedule 1 to the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016: "any upper case letter or letters, with or without a number, whether or not placed on a patch which may be of any colour, where the letter and, as the case may be, number are of any size, in a colour that contrasts with the background on which they are placed and indicate a type of permit".

If you look at the 'TMO2122-017_DS East Dulwich area' TMO https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/66571/DS-East-Dulwich-area-notice-dated-21-Oct-2021-.pdf — one of those available at https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/traffic-orders-licensing-strategies-and-regulation/traffic-management-orders?chapter=5 — for references to 'SC2' and 'permit' you'll find it's about providing exceptions for residential, etc (see page 9) permit holders.