the vale pub - changes afoot

[Miles]

Very pleased to hear the old management are gone, I couldnt stand them.

Sad to hear there wont be regular football any more, that was my only reason for going.

[Orbital]

Miles Wrote:

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> Very pleased to hear the old management are gone,

> I couldnt stand them.

>

> Sad to hear there wont be regular football any

> more, that was my only reason for going.

Yes, shame the football has gone. I was there quite often on account of that.

Well, I suppose the demograph who don't enjoy football will like it more. Will be interesting to see if this and the other changes make the pub last.

[DulwichFox]

Shame when New Establishments set up in E.D. and try and put their Stamp on things.

Telling the locals 'What you need is this.... and if you don't, you are going to get it anyway.'

Instead of giving Locals what they Really Need or what they are asking for.

Fox

[ratty]

What do we need? I have no firkin clue!

[chrisharvey]

Odd - i seem to recall starting this thread to ask for peoples input on what they would like to see at the pub.

Seems strange to me that that should be taken as telling people what to expect.

For your information we shall still be showing some football but as stated we will not be a sports bar.

We will be having live music (probably on a saturday night) but we will not be becoming a venue.

you can expect good service, good food, good ales, good wine and hopefully a generally good time.

i will be starting a new thread today to confirm the official opening date of "the cherry tree"

[MissB6]

Welcome to the East Dulwich Forum Chris... (sigh)

[Moos]

Chrisharvey, good luck in your new venture. Sounds like the new Vale will be a cracker. I think it's fantastic that you've come on here to ask for people's thoughts.

A lot of East Dulwich businesses have very mixed feelings about the forum. I believe the founder still spends a lot of time interacting with businesses (and occasionally their lawyers) who take umbrage at what posters have to say.

My advice for what it's worth would be to take the swipes on the chin, continue to use the forum to talk to your customers and remember that anonymity + instant posting + public voice often equals aggressive foolishness. It doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of sensible people reading but not posting, who will value a business who is prepared to hear and address legitimate criticism.

There, I meant to write something supportive, and I've ended up with a lecture. Anyway, just to say please bear with us and stay with us, and never mind the bollocks.

[Marmora Man]

Is it true - as I've often heard stated - that The Vale is where the "Great Train Robbery" (Ronnie Biggs et al) was planned and, post the robbery, celebrated?

While not condoning criminality the 1962 (query date) robbery is now a part of history and might, just, make a small interesting footnote for publicising the new pub?

[Otta]

That's the story I've always heard MM (that they celebrated there after).

[Earl of East Dulwich]

I hope this is true! Great story

[Earl of East Dulwich]

The Star Tavern in Belgravia is surrounded by mews cottages, which were originally stables. It is thought that The Great Train Robbery was planned here.

http://www.qype.co.uk/place/34821-The-Star-Tavern-London

[Otta]

That seems more likely for the planning!

Apparently Ronnie Biggs (who wasn't even a big part of the robbery) used to use the Cherry Tree, so I imagine the legend has grown from that.

[Weegee]

chrisharvey Wrote:

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> Odd - i seem to recall starting this thread to ask

> for peoples input on what they would like to see

> at the pub.

> Seems strange to me that that should be taken as

> telling people what to expect.

> For your information we shall still be showing

> some football but as stated we will not be a

> sports bar.

> We will be having live music (probably on a

> saturday night) but we will not be becoming a

> venue.

> you can expect good service, good food, good ales,

> good wine and hopefully a generally good time.

> i will be starting a new thread today to confirm

> the official opening date of "the cherry tree"

Hi Chris

Will the kids play area remain in "The Cherry Tree"? It was very good with lots of toys and books for kids

to play with

[billybiro]

Pls Chris,no kids or play area-look at the Herne garden-ruined. Let the kids go there.

[SJK]

Thumbs up to the Cherry Tree. We went for the opening night and it was lovely. Good priced selection of wines, they were offering tasters of the menu which were gorgeous - and a really nice atmosphere to boot. We liked it. We will be back soon!

[Mick Mac]

billybiro Wrote:

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> Pls Chris,no kids or play area-look at the Herne

> garden-ruined. Let the kids go there.

Certainly if you want to make an absolute fortune catering for families and children, then follow the Herne. If you want a pub with no daytime customers then ban children. Have a look around to see what your customer base may be.

[northlondoner]

billybiro Wrote:

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> Pls Chris,no kids or play area-look at the Herne

> garden-ruined. Let the kids go there.

Seconded.

[Catalyst]

Wow - free of tie. You lucky things. That means you could actually turn a profit.

Micro-brewery beers would be amazing. Only the Draft House serves genuinely interesting beer locally so if you go down that path it might well draw in the punters.

EDT (and the Antic chain generally) & Great Exhibition have massively upped their game in that regards lately. Draft House hasn't lived up to it's potential imo.

A great wine AND beer selection would be something genuinely different. Mr Lawrence in Brockley is the only place around here that really knows what it's doing in that regard.

[sophie_e_down]

Will there still be football on a weekend? It's really hard in this area to find pubs to watch the weekend games in as all the pubs are very samey.