Would you shoot a burglar

[El Pibe]

There?s a man we call the Leader

He?s fine and strong and brave

And we follow him unquestioning

Towards an early grave

He gives us hope of sacrifice

And a chance to die in vain

And if we?re one of the lucky ones

We?ll live to die again

[Moos]

The EDPSAFV, the only true faith, also embraces horse eaters. Join us, brother maxxi.

[Moos]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> There?s a man we call the Leader

> He?s fine and strong and brave

> And we follow him unquestioning

> Towards an early grave

> He gives us hope of sacrifice

> And a chance to die in vain

> And if we?re one of the lucky ones

> We?ll live to die again

.

Oh come on, I was trying to lighten the mood. Virgins all round, and he's still grumpy.

[El Pibe]

Horse pizza....?om ?om.

[El Pibe]

It's the suicide squad song from Life of Brian (it took its own life and ended up on the cutting floor).

[El Pibe]

By the way el pipe is incredibly rude. You wouldn't like me calling you DJKillerQueer now would you.

[Moos]

Ah, sorry. Scused.

[the-e-dealer]

If he was Boris Johnson or Gidiot Osbourne Id think very carefully.

[StraferJack]

"Virgins all round, and he's still grumpy."

I?d be grumpy ? that?s a LOT of reassurance and guidance

A handful of experienced beauties would be far better

[david_carnell]

*chuckle*

If only both of the people involved in this argument had a lengthy history of intemperate bickering, airing laundry in public and arguing over inconsequential matters that no one gives two shits about.

[El Pibe]

Oi, how the very dare you.

Ok, I'll grant you intemperate bickering.

Definitely the inconsequential stuff and for sure noone gives two hoots and I should learn to let....it.....go.....

I'm pretty sure the only dirty laundry I air is my own though.

[Gerryw80]

I would injure him maybe but not shoot and kill. thats a big thing, but getting him injured and then punishing him is i think the right thing to do

[LondonLogCo]

Gerryw80 Wrote:

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> injured and

> then punishing him is i think the right thing to

> do

And how would you do that ?

Just a word of caution. There's one "responsible gun owner" on here who'd shoot the burglar, so tread gently with your creative punishment ideas.

Mind you, i've had to redefine what "responsible" actually means in this case

[woodrot]

I would shoot a burgular and indeed am relishing the thought because of this thread.

I am filling my own ammo and making dumdums on the heals shabby chic kitchen table as this very minute

I now feel alot more secure, now I am tooled up & am camoing my face as I write this. I may hunt down to phantom piss bottle distributor and humanely despatch him for the good of the community.

Thank you EDF.

[woodrot]

If not a shooting, then how does the EDF feel about a gentle kneecapping ? seemed to sort out Belfast back in the '70s Or maybe Cutting their hands off, sharia style ? or We can always just tie them up with cable ties and smash each one of their fingers with a ball pein hammer ?

Lets wipe them scum from our streets.Premptive stikes is the way to go - theres a bloke down the street who keeps himself to himself and lives with his mother. he looks at me in a funny way.I hear theres a Paediatritian in the area - lets get the bastard before he strikes again

/lol etc

[the-e-dealer]

It we started routinely shooting burglars they would come tooled up and shoot us first.

[El Pibe]

Get carter, itv 4, right now!

[malumbu]

No.

[Carter]

Hi, this is Ren - Carter's other half.

LondonLogCo

"Just a word of caution. There's one "responsible gun owner" on here who'd shoot the burglar, so tread gently with your creative punishment ideas."

Can you please explain exactly by this? I am assuming that because you have put "responsible gun owner" in quotes then you think this statement is false, and that by advising to tread gently you are implying Carter is a threat to everyone on this forum.

Can you please explain explicitly keeping in mind libelous and offensive statements.

Carter may have dismissed you, but I cannot.

Thanks, Ren x

[Carter]

Hi, this in Ren - Carter's other half.

"I think what pissed some people off if the fact you were so amazed your neighbours got concerned that you were out in your garden with a firearm."

"Who said they are all nutters? One nutter is enough."

Alan Medic.

Are you implying Carter is a "nutter" because he was in the garden with his gun? Please explain exactly your statement. It is not against the law to clean a gun on our property. Social Responsibility?

He had been away for 3 days at a training camp and then competition on the Sunday. He chose to come home and then clean his gun in the garden, drinking a nice glass of red wine with me in the evening sun. If our neighbour had just chosen to chat to us over the fence instead of call the police, then he would of found out everything. Perhaps we might of even been friends.

So, what are we to do? Only ever move from the flat to car under cover of darkness? Inform the Police first and make sure we have an escort and a helicopter? Only show the gun with all curtains closed so nobody might see?

His license could of been revoked that evening if the Police thought he was doing anything threatening. It wasn't.

"One nutter is enough."

Please can you explicitly confirm you think Carter is a "nutter" from this statement.

Thanks, Ren x

[Huguenot]

The differences between legal rights and social responsibilities have been discussed at length on the thread Ren, you can read back. There are lots of things that we have a right to do that we don't do out of respect for other people, particularly if they cause anxiety.

Carter brought this upon himself by claiming people who disagree with smoking in pubs should be hung, and burglars should be shot, twice.

Neither of those statements are 'responsible', and both could described as so inappropriate to be nuts (as in crazy).

Combine those two beliefs with the fact that Carter has a firearm in the house, and you can see where the derision comes from.

Incidentally, no statement can be considered libellous here unless Carter gives up his anonymity. If he does that now he would be personally culpable so that wouldn't work either.

My advice is to stop boasting about killing people, and start thinking about responsibilities rather than rights.

Enjoy!

[Carter]

Hi this is Ren,

Except Carter has not at any point wished that "people who disagree with smoking in pubs should be hung" nor has he said "burglars should be shot". Please show where these statements expressed as beliefs have been made.

Facts are better than hyperbole, no.

His thread titled "...and another thing..." was a rant against an unprovoked act of aggression and bullying against me, and his dislike of the people who caused it, as should be clear to those who read it. Everyone who responded agreed. It wasn't about smoking in pubs nor people who disagree with it should be hung. As highlighted - we were sat outside, doing something completely legal. If your partner or daughter was in my position alone - is it acceptable for someone to berate her with aggression and nastiness for no reason?

The term "those who have caused it to swing from lampposts" is now, I understand, a generic term against your Government and bankers (and mine) for anger about actions caused. This was meant in the same terms. It was not expressed a particular named or nicknamed person.

Him "boasting about killing people" however, is. He has not done this. Again please explicitly show where he has done this.

Thanks, Ren x

[Alan Medic]

Carter Wrote:

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> Hi, this in Ren - Carter's other half.

>

> "I think what pissed some people off if the fact

> you were so amazed your neighbours got concerned

> that you were out in your garden with a firearm."

>

> "Who said they are all nutters? One nutter is

> enough."

>

> Alan Medic.

>

> Are you implying Carter is a "nutter" because he

> was in the garden with his gun? Please explain

> exactly your statement. It is not against the law

> to clean a gun on our property. Social

> Responsibility?

I'm implying that all it takes is one nutter with a gun to cause havoc. As for Carter being in the garden with his gun, I personally think it is in bad taste and had the effect of causing some neighbours distress. I don't care if it's not against any law.

What do you mean by Social Responsibility?

By the way if you are Carter's partner, why don't you register and have your own user name?

[Carter]

Anyway, Huguenot you are the ugly person who inferred that Carter was a child killer. I will not call you a man because you are not worthy of the title.

I know this is a public thread but please do not contibute again. You make my skin physically crawl, you are so repulsive.

Ren.

[Huguenot]

Ha ha, are you for real?

I made no claim that Carter was a child killer, what I was doing was parodying the idea that shooting burglars was a clean cut issue of petrified homeowners defending themselves from homicidal rapist psychopaths.

I was highlighting the very real tragedies that can occur when you make rash assumptions about who it is that's nicking your video and use a gun as the first line of defence.

When Jonathan Swift wrote 'A Modest Proposal' he wasn't actually suggesting that the Irish sell their babies as food. Go and look it up on Wikipedia alongside the word 'satire'.

I can see in your reaction to criticism a manifestation of all the attitudes that cause concern.

If you disagree with me you cannot hang me, shoot me, nor force me to shut up. Instead you have to deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with you, and that they are entitled to their opinion without being forced to submit to yours.