A demand for botox in East Dulwich?

[emc]

Hi

OK I know I'm probably going to get lots of flak for suggesting this but....one of my best friends hubby's is a GP (she is too) who has also trained in what is known as 'minor surgery' which includes Botox and fillers. He is a partner in a GP practice in Suffolk but is thinking about possibly travelling to London every couple of months or so to do some 'Botox parties' (at my suggestion!) He tried to start this up where he lives but they live in the middle of nowhere (and with probably less demand) and it never really got anywhere. Anyway, from numerous conversations that I've had with friends, mums at the school gates, in the area there's not one woman I know post about 38 who would not be up for a bit of 'help'.So, what I'm trying to gauge, is, if I set up such a 'party' (in my home, bit of wine and nibbles, you pop upstairs for five mins for your 'treatment') would there be a market for it? He is fully qualified, insured, has all the certificates etc and yes, he has done it on me, twice - v painless, very expertly done and he is very careful and will only give very small doses so as not to have that strange looking 'too smooth' face look. And it would be cheaper than what you would pay in a salon, and to be honest I would much rather have a medically trained doctor do this on me rather than a beautician. Feel free to PM me for more info or just to register your interest.Thanks

[woodrot]

ED is bursting at the seams with people eager to buy apple products, queue for meat and spend shocking amounts on cash on virtually useless tat in its delightful independent shops - I cannot see any reason why the same victims would not look for other avenues to spunk their cash to try and brighten up their present worthless and shallow lives

[Jessie]

this sends shivers down my spine, and not in a good way. But...I am - sadly - sure there is a market for it in East Dulwich.

[Annette Curtain]

I love spotting botox birds

Just smile at them and if one corner of their lip quivers back, you've bagged one. Though the shiny forehead ones are a little scary

Oh and the ones with one teary eye

[emc]

Hmmm, not my experience at all - I mean in terms of how I look...but I admit I know the look you are talking about though and it is very, very bad, easy to spot a mile off, that stretched and strangely 'shiny' look. Not at all how I would want to look. I have very good, pretty smooth skin anyway (in fact first time I asked my friend to do it he refused) and even now he will only put the tiniest bit in my forehead, refuses to touch anywhere else as says I don't need it (to be honest, he's right) Anyway, I expected this type of comeback - keep it coming! But if you're genuinely interested, just PM me, in confidence of course...thanks!

[dulwichgirl2]

Agree better to have dr doing it than a beautician but, personally, am in your target age group and wldnt touch it. Why I am not sure. I use makeup etc quite happily. I suppose I just don't like the idea - maybe that will change over time!

[civilservant]

Cheap botox parties!

What else could we do to improve our dismal and wrinkly ED lives? Primary school proms, maybe?

[emc]

Maybe....

[titch juicy]

excessive vanity (is botox excessive?) is very ugly

[maxxi]

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> I love spotting botox birds

>

> Just smile at them and if one corner of their lip

> quivers back, you've bagged one. Though the shiny

> forehead ones are a little scary

>

> Oh and the ones with one teary eye

Oh I love the shiny forehead brigade - whatever you do they are never surprised...

[zeban]

Botox looks horrendous, just grow old gracefully!

[emc]

Badly done botox and too much looks horrendous, I totally agree - yuk, yuk, yuk. But I don't think you really understand the kind of level I'm talking about - a tiny bit to smooth out a few lines and still able to move your face as normal just leaves you looking fresh faced, like you've been on a lovely holiday I promise you. And why grow old gracefully? - I've always taken great pride in my appearance and will continue to do so....more than happy to have a bit of help to do that.

[Jessie]

Can't people be beautiful because of their age? I find this obsession with staying and looking young bonkers. Being beautiful and looking old are not mutually exclusive.

[titch juicy]

Jessie Wrote:

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> Can't people be beautiful because of their age? I

> find this obsession with staying and looking young

> bonkers. Being beautiful and looking old are not

> mutually exclusive.

Agreed

[Jeremy]

Each to their own. People have done far worse things in the pursuit of beauty.

[LondonMix]

I personally wouldn't do botox (yet...) but unless you don't use any wrinkle creams, colour your hair, etc your are already fighting ageing! My philosophy is "do no harm" (like the hypocratic oath). Face-lifts / botox etc seem too risky and the results too false / scary to make me want them. I can't pretend I'm not vain though!

[zeban]

Absolutely agree Jessie. I have a lady come into my work who is proabably in her 80s and she looks absolutely beautiful. She wears a little make up and dresses so elegantly, she truly makes me smile whenever I see her. There's nothing wrong with taking pride in your appearance, I do it myself with make up, looking after my hair, my body, eating well etc, but it's the obsession in trying to stay/look young that I do have a problem with. Plastic surgery doesn't make you look younger, it just makes you look like you've had plastic surgery! (obv. I know botox isn't as extreme as plastic surgery but it's a slippery slope...

[emc]

Oh for goodness sake! God, people are so blooming precious about this sort of thing! I'm not advocating facelifts or major anti ageing surgery just a couple of teeny injections to make your face look a teensy bit smoother, that's all - it's not plastic surgery!. Don't get me wrong I want to heave when I look at certain celebs and even 'normal' people who have obviously had quite a lot of help and think the same as you do. And I don't think for a minute that only the young can be beautiful - but I'm still young (relatively!) and want to look the best I can. That doesn't mean that I feel I 'need' this - as I said my friend has done it twice and the last time was in Jan, so as it wears off after about six months I am in my 'natural' state at the moment and still very happy with what I see in the mirror, whilst still lobbing on my No 7 Protect and Perfect cream of course - like, I bet, most women on here do post 30, (as Londonmix says) I'm not stupid, to me looking good is looking healthy and that's about eating right, taking exercise etc. I don't believe in letting yourself go, but maybe that's because I'm no longer married and so haven't settled into that cosy 'I've got him so don't have to make an effort' mode that I see going on....

[civilservant]

You're perfectly within your rights to try to earn a bit of cash - and if someone really wants botox badly, they'll find it - but you might want to reflect on how you're planning to do it.

You stepped onto an escalator with your first botox injection. Will you ever be able to say 'that's enough', and step off again?

I don't hold out much hope, given that once a line's shown its pesky self, its friends just can't stay away. Like it or not, sooner or later your forehead's going to be more frozen than 'fresh-faced'! (I was going to post a picture of the Bride of Wildenstein as a kind of object lesson, but chickened out)

[RosieH]

Lummy, if people want to get botoxed, they should go right ahead. I've seen people look waxy and sweaty with it, and I've seen people look fresh and lovely.

But emc, looking healthy - eating right, taking exercise - doesn't really tally with injecting your face with botulism, so you might want to lay off the smug a little.

No one really knows the long term effects of paralysing your muscles with poison - I'd think, if anything, that a straightforward face lift, while it might seem more extreme, is less likely to result in an exploding breasts type scandal a few years down the line.

[emc]

I've had two altogether, each a year apart, as I said, not had some since January so my forehead is back to its lightly lined (I like to think) natural state. Don't feel panicky or worried about that or think I look terrible in any way - to be honest it doesn't look that different. I just see it a bit like when I have a facial - a bit of refreshment. And yes, it is mainly a business thing...and by (private) responses so far I think there is a market for it which is no huge surprise.

[Voyageur]

emc Wrote:

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... I don't believe

> in letting yourself go, but maybe that's because

> I'm no longer married and so haven't settled into

> that cosy 'I've got him so don't have to make an

> effort' mode that I see going on....

Wooh.... that's a new thread altogether!

[maxxi]

"I'm no longer married and so haven't settled into that cosy 'I've got him so don't have to make an effort' mode that I see going on...."

Is this your way of saying you think the married women of ED look like dogs?

Maybe you see botox as a pre-emptive strike for the poor gals of ED in case hubby ups and leaves?

Or is this a long game and the key player is your "best friend's hubby" (keys in the bowl and the winner gets a face full of poison and a pearl necklace)?

[Saffron]

Actually the mechanism of Botox and its possible side effects are very well characterised in the scientific literature. It's been in use therapeutically to treat muscular disorders for over 30 years.

The main concerns with its use, whether cosmetic or medical, are (a) is the product properly produced and bottled to prevent impuraties and ensure correct concentration, and (b) is the person injecting it competent to do so and prepared to recognise and treat possible side effects.

[emc]

No, just thought I'd add the 'married women letting themselves go' bit for a laugh, it's been a long day (and I'm probably coming across as a real bitch right now but am actually very far from that!)...as for worries about injecting botulism - well, after lengthy discussions with my two GP friends and realising that botulism has been used in medicine for years I kind of decided that there were probably other things in life that were more dangerous to me...anyway, the bottom dollar is that the original thread was put up to gauge interest and I've done that now. No-one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do, each to their own and all that and thanks for the posts, all interesting stuff. x