Nurse that took hoax call

[the-e-dealer]

No there was information about her last retch.

[LondonMix]

Exactly! At least the thread has moved on from debating the merits of throwing the DJs in jail...

???? Wrote:

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> 'much better now' is confidential patient

> information in the same way that 'she's dead'

> would have been

[DJKillaQueen]

"whenever anyone committed suicide an investigation would need to be launched and anyone who may be deemed to have made that person unhappy in anyway should be arrested. Do you hear how insane that sounds!"

Except we know that young people have committed suicide after prolonged episodes of bullying for example, so yes, sometimes the actions of others are huge contributors to the mental wellbeing of individuals.

I saw the DJ's in question on the news today, and they are devastated. They don't need to be dragged over hot coals and thrown in jail too. And I agree with those on who think it's just an unfortunate tragedy.

I also agree that the only issue if there is any, is how a hoax caller managed to get through to anyone able to divulge information about a royal patient. Any patient would be bad enough but the wife of a future king would you'd think, be under extra protection.

[LondonMix]

Yes agree entirely with your post. That others can harm the mental well-being of others intentionally or unintentionally I think we all can acknowledge (parents, institutions, etc can all be culpable of that). Being criminally culpable for a suicide I think is a very different thing all together though.

[Michael Palaeologus]

"The DJs were devastated", actually "Gutted" was the elegant phrase that they used.

Of course they are gutted, their career is at an end and they have to answer questions about their conduct. Gutting indeed.

[LondonMix]

Does anyone know what the punishment is for bullying as a form of harrasment and how easy it is to make a case?

[Jessie]

The nurse was pursued in typical tactless manner by British press - apparently they wouldn't leave her alone, wanting interviews etc. leveson schleveson.

[LondonMix]

I doubt that helped her mental well-being...

[the-e-dealer]

I think bullying would be covered. Under the stalking law.

[Stevelock]

Royal confidentiality, if broken, would be deemed as treason. I think treason is still punishable by death in modern british law. The nurses "neglegence" resulted in personal royal details being reported around the world against their will. The nurse was the person who put the call through as genuine. The ward would have assumed the necessary checks were done before putting the call through to the medical team. The nurse may possibly have been seen as the point of origin for the mess, a gatekeeper who's negligence saw the situation spiral out of control. Thats my guess... It's too much of a coincidence she drops dead unexplainably if you ask me

[Stevelock]

By the way the official cause of death: ?unexplained death, alleged suicide?? with no plausible reason for suicide. It takes alot for someone to take there own life i imagine

[DJKillaQueen]

Michael Palaeologus Wrote:

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> "The DJs were devastated", actually "Gutted" was

> the elegant phrase that they used.

>

> Of course they are gutted, their career is at an

> end and they have to answer questions about their

> conduct. Gutting indeed.

That's a very cynical repsonse to what seemed to me genuine distress from the DJs.

[Jeremy]

???? Wrote:

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> 'much better now' is confidential patient

> information in the same way that 'she's dead'

> would have been

I don't think so, not if the press had already been told that "she's much better now". Which they had.

[LondonMix]

I agree. It's a pretty big leap to assume that just because they are puerile that they wouldn't be disturbed by someone's death. The fact that they did this prank doesn?t suggest that they are sociopaths in and of itself.

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> Michael Palaeologus Wrote:

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> -----

> > "The DJs were devastated", actually "Gutted"

> was

> > the elegant phrase that they used.

> >

> > Of course they are gutted, their career is at

> an

> > end and they have to answer questions about

> their

> > conduct. Gutting indeed.

>

> That's a very cynical repsonse to what seemed to

> me genuine distress from the DJs.

[Huguenot]

Did someone just suggest the nurse was executed by the royal family? Chem trails I tell you.

[the-e-dealer]

"She was retching last night but hasnt retched this morning"

[Otta]

Michael Palaeologus Wrote:

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> "The DJs were devastated", actually "Gutted" was

> the elegant phrase that they used.

>

> Of course they are gutted, their career is at an

> end and they have to answer questions about their

> conduct. Gutting indeed.

I think you are being very harsh.

From the BBC

In an interview for Channel Nine's A Current Affair programme, Mr Christian told presenter Tracy Grimshaw: "When we thought about making a call it was going to go for 30 seconds, we were going to be hung up on, and that was it. As innocent as that."

Ms Greig said: "We thought 100 people before us would've tried it. We thought it was such a silly idea and the accents were terrible and not for a second did we expect to speak to Kate - let alone have a conversation with anyone at the hospital. We wanted to be hung up on.''

The pair said they had heard about Mrs Saldanha's death in the early hours of Saturday morning.

"It was the worst phone call I've ever had in my life,'' said Ms Greig.

Asked what his immediate reaction had been, Mr Christian wept and said: "Shattered, gutted, heartbroken and obviously you know. Our deepest sympathies are with the family and the friends.

"Prank calls are made every day, on every radio station in every country around the world, and they have been for a long time and no-one could've imagined this to happen.''

Ms Greig said they had expected to be hung up on and she said: "The accents were terrible. You know it was designed to be stupid. We were never meant to get that far from the little corgis barking in the background - we obviously wanted it to be a joke.

"If we played any involvement in her death then we're very sorry for that. And time will only tell."

Asked about whether she felt there was a "witch hunt" against them, Ms Greig said: "There's nothing that can make me feel worse than what I feel right now. And for what I feel for the family. We're so sorry that this has happened to them."

I hardly think they're being blase about it.

[Moos]

Someone told me that they / the radio station went on promoting the prank after the nurse's death had been reported.

I suspect this is a misunderstanding / deliberate smear based on confusion between the time zones. But since it seems to have been reported it would be helpful if the radio station clarified whether this is true or not.

[Otta]

If that is true, then that is disgusting from the station. But probably a mistake rather than a decision. Surely no one would be stupid enough given the international feeling.

[Moos]

Quite, that was one of the reasons I thought it couldn't be true.

[Michael Palaeologus]

"Shattered AND Gutted"

You will forgive me for being sceptical about the crocodile tears of two bullies who were found out in tragic circumstances.

Lets save our concern and sympathy for the family of Jacintha Saldanha.

[Jeremy]

Of course everyone has sympathy for the family of Jacintha Saldanha, but I feel sorry for the DJs too. IMO they are guilty of nothing more than poor quality broadcasting and juvenile humour. To suggest that they're not genuinely upset at what happened is cynical in the extreme, and completely unfounded.

This may be bullying in your book, but it isn't in mine. Bullying implies aggression or intimidation - there was none. The nurse in question was not even the butt of their joke.

[Voyageur]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Of course everyone has sympathy for the family of

> Jacintha Saldanha, but I feel sorry for the DJs

> too. IMO they are guilty of nothing more than poor

> quality broadcasting and juvenile humour. To

> suggest that they're not genuinely upset at what

> happened is cynical in the extreme, and completely

> unfounded.

>

> This may be bullying in your book, but it isn't in

> mine. Bullying implies aggression or intimidation

> - there was none. The nurse in question was not

> even the butt of their joke.

Would agree with this - although I think there was an element of humiliation here in the name of entertainment that is akin to bullying in some ways. I feel sorry for all concerned in the event - what a terrible result :(

[*Bob*]

I think you're being rather unfair there, MP.

You're definition of 'bullying' is bizarre. Asking someone to put you through a switchboard on false pretences - once - is not bullying.

These people may have been guilty of a childish stunt, but (assuming they are regular human beings) - you're assuming rather a lot to assume only 'crocodile tears' in the face of them being told by the world at large hysterically screaming that they are responsible for someone's death.

There have been a couple of suicides in my personal midst - and in both cases we're talking years of build-up, not a one-off incident. Consider, however, that in both those cases there 'may' even have been a one-off incident that was the final straw. Maybe it was someone being rude to them on a bus. Or honking their horn and shouting at them through a car window. Fortunately, those people don't know the small part they played in someone's demise. How would you feel if you were the last person who tipped someone over the edge - and you knew it? You'd have to be some kind of monster not to feel massive genuine guilt.

Pranking has been a staple of television and radio since television and radio began. How many cases like this? This one. This case is bizarre and exceptional - and it should be treated as such.

Lastly, why do so many people assume that just because someone 'speaks English', the way they present themselves ought to be identical to 'being English'. Australia, like America, is a different country. The language is different. Maybe you don't find their language genuine. I think most people in Oz will.

[Annette Curtain]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Did someone just suggest the nurse was executed by

> the royal family? Chem trails I tell you.

I met Antique dealer i'm acquainted with yesterday

"the Government did it y'know"

Mind you, he also told me that, "there's a car made completely of hemp, hidden somewhere in a research lab"

"apparently you just fill it with water"

"Oh, so is that why weed is illegal ?" I offered

"EXACTLY..."