Street Food

[gingerchris]

Where are you paying a tenner for a burger or a hot dog? I can see why you're angry - you've been ripped off.

[Louisa]

I am still able to partake of these food stuffs, but not in ED because the street food of the working classes wouldn't make it onto the menu around here anymore. And I only have to go back to the early 90s, in fact just a 10 minute walk from the centre of ED street food was available in abundance right up until the second half of the noughties! How many of the people on here have ever visited Manzes in Peckham? Or the local delicatessen chain of Kennedys? (Camberwell and Peckham branches) where you could get pease pudding and saveloy. The fresh fish stall at the former Kings on the Rye pub? They were all overlooked because they weren't fashionable enough for the trendies. And they'll happily use the "fresh produce" card to put down working class street food.

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

They saw her coming.

Easy enough to spot - wearing the pearly queen jacket with the giant chip on the shoulder.

[Louisa]

*Bob* stop flirting with me ;-)

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

I like a bit of rough

[*Bob*]

class-wise, I mean

[titch juicy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> MrBen Wrote:

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> > Because people are unlikely to traipse across

> > London to pay ?6 for something that tastes like

> > fishy KY jelly.

>

>

> But they'll pay nearly a tenner for a burger? Just

> because it has something like "organic" or "wild

> boar" written next to it. It's pathetic.

>

> And StraferJack - working class London culture has

> had street food as part of its tradition since the

> Middle Ages! Pies, roasted chestnuts, jellied

> eels, hog roasts.. I could go on. But because they

> were part of the cockney or working-class

> tradition they were frowned upon and snubbed by

> the trendies as being inferior. Now all of a

> sudden, because these posh types suddenly find it

> fashionable to pay the best part of a tenner for a

> hot dog, something you could get from any burger

> van - it's a revelation. People on this very forum

> still revel in the fact that gentrification was

> the saviour of East Dulwich, and talk of it being

> a barren desolate place before the middle class

> invasion. It's this constant put down of anything

> and everything which isn't about them which annoys

> me.

>

> Louisa.

tenner for a burger- blimey! where?

[StraferJack]

I suspect they were overlooked, not by the middle classes, but by their customer base when supermarkets am maccie d became widely available. But whatevs

Can always rely on Louisa to stoke those class fires. Not so much agent provocateur as militant class war shite.

Where was the Kennedy "deli" or manzes in se22. Oh no wait they were in more working class walworth and camberwell. But it's middle classes that did for them is it?

Last time I was in a pie and mash they were looking for a tenner for a t/t/t. Plenty of food but not really cheaper than a burger and chips.

[StraferJack]

Louisa is deliberately conflating pub burger prices with street food just to muddy the waters. God forbid she should stick to like for like

[Louisa]

GBK sell burgers (minus the chips) for around the 8-12 quid mark. And I've seen these trendy street stalls not far off that mark - and you don't even get a seat! No wonder everyone's skint in this country.

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

See?

[StraferJack]

8 to 12 quid mark. In a restaurant. Stalls "not far off that mark" so... 6 quid?

Double double pie and mash for 7 quid.

Again, what's your problem?

[Louisa]

Middle class people amuse me. Even when it's an argument about the context of something - they still snub working class culture, it almost comes naturally.

StraferJack - I do not need to 'stoke' any said class fires. The middle-class arty trendy suburbanites need no help in doing that. I'm constantly reading about the bemoaning of chicken shops and bookies making an area seem 'grotty' or 'unattractive'. How do you think such comments make the patrons of those places feel? It's sheer snobbery.

And the menu at a pie n mash shop is equally as good quality as any trendy street seller - they just don't go around promoting it and banging on about it. If some of the posh types were to bring themselves to enter one of the few left they may be surprised. But they won't. And even if they do, they will happily take a jibe at some aspect of the cuisine or premises. And yet a market stall selling a burger with organic written in fancy writing is perfectly acceptable. It's an almost engrained snobbery which is almost as offensive as the term 'chav' to describe anyone different from themselves. That's my point.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

Louisa, Manzes is not street food so the comparison is weak. You're claiming that in the good old days only working class folks ate street food, this is innacurate - the world over, all classes eat street food where it's available, for the simple reason that its some of the best food available (of the type of dishes being served).

Most upmarket street food beats the shite burger van-type 'working class' food hands-down and I for one am grateful for it.

It's not like the 'middle class' people eat 24/7 at the street stalls, I'm sure it's a treat for them and anyone else.

BTW - what are your credentials for being so non-'middle class' ?!

[Alan Medic]

I may have missed the point but why would anyone want to eat on the street? Isn't it rude?

[StraferJack]

Louisa - even by your standards that is incoherent, rambling bollox

" I'm constantly reading about the bemoaning of chicken shops and bookies making an area seem 'grotty' or 'unattractive'. How do you think such comments make the patrons of those places feel? It's sheer snobbery. "

By constantly reading, do you mean constantly writing? It is you who posts the most about how ghastly Peckham is. Anyone tries to defend it and you jump down their throats. To put it in your words:

" How do you think such comments make the patrons of those places feel? It's sheer snobbery. "

" I do not need to 'stoke' any said class fires."

erm, yes, you do. If you didn't you would barely post on here

"The middle-class arty trendy suburbanites" - does that even mean anything?

And I'm not belittling the menu or decor of any pie and mash shop. but it is YOU who decided to talk aboutprice differential with working class food and I'm just pointing out the parity in pricing. There isn't really any difference.

"a market stall selling a burger with organic written in fancy writing is perfectly acceptable."

why would it not be? I don't subscribe to organic movement myself (generally speaking) but given recent horsemeat and general process food scandals, it does mean SOMETHING

[MrBen]

Is it just me or have loads of threads taken weird turns of late? It feels at times like I'm "on the mushies" reading this.

[StraferJack]

Alan. Throwing litter is rude. Eating shouldn't be

[StraferJack]

MrBen

T'were always this with Louisa. Have a look at some classic 2007 threads

[Louisa]

KidKruger - you just said that street food is something all classes across the world partake in. This may well be the case nowadays, but you don't have to go back many years to realise that street food was in most places very much the food of the poorest in society. In London, street food has been around and sold from burger vans, fresh fish stalls and markets for centuries. They've never been given elevated status by anyone outside of those working class communities because they've never been seen as fashionable. They are often immediately dismissed as poor quality by the trendier types. However, working class street food consumed by such people whilst on holiday in Thailand, Brazil, Italy, France et al is somehow given a magical seal of approval because it suits them to do so. And then those ideas are transferred back here to the UK and are made somehow acceptable with the help of some organic labelling and inflated prices - within said trendier classes.

I was brought up in Peckham, within a very working class household. I may no longer be considered part of that class in the traditional sense, but I stick with many of the traditions I grew up with such as pie n mash. Culturally in many ways I am still very much working class.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

Me constantly putting down the place I was born in? Don't be ridiculous. Thats rather unfair StraferJack. I adore Peckham, I would just like to see the regeneration of the station go ahead and have some life put back into the place so it can become a great place for everyone who lives there, and for many from miles around. I would like to see the retail opportunities down there come alive again. That's all!

Louisa.

[Voyageur]

Jeeze Louise.... if you look down on others that you perceive to come from another class then you're more disturbed than I had previously imagined :-o

nb - jellied eels, the devil's spawn :(

[Louisa]

Voyageur Wrote:

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> Jeeze Louise.... if you look down on others that

> you perceive to come from another class then

> you're more disturbed than I had previously

> imagined :-o

>

> nb - jellied eels, the devil's spawn :(

Don't worry Voyageur, I'm sure some suitable patron will come up with a jellied wild duck p?t? soon enough to meet the needs of the hungry bourgeoisie trapsing along NCR of a saturday morning :-)

Louisa.

[El Pibe]

I for one got all sniffy reading that and can't wait for the next meeting of the Comintern when street hawkers of the world (apart from those who serve the kulaks with the 'organic' burgers) lock arms and sing the international.

Then ztraferjackiev will be produced, with his solid working class immigrant credentials, and confess that he poisoned the cockle and whelk stocks on our coastline and spread propaganda about eel shortages, then we can all have a good old fashioned ten minute hate around the ol' Joanna.

Ooh I can't wait.

[Louisa]

The middle classes will be intent on invading the rest of Peckham now they've taken over ED and the fatefully named 'Bellenden Village' area of south Peckham. As much as the station regeneration is needed and wanted by myself and others, it will probably lead to organic street food and posh pretentious coffee. Working class people of all backgrounds will be priced out into the wilderness of New Cross and beyond. I can see the fancy cupcakes spilled across a tray as I type *cringe* :(

Louisa.