Judging children by their names

[giggirl]

Car crash. I have no words. Holly Willoughby actually looses it.

Putting aside that the Katie woman is an insufferable snob and my jaw hit the floor, does anyone agree with her? The "worm" showed 9% for and 91% against. 9% is not insignificant so she has support.

Thoughts?

BTW, for the forum old timers like myself, I found myself wondering whatever happened to our very own Dulwich Mum?

[Jeremy]

Anyone on here who's ever made a joke about clich?d middle class pampered baby names (Olivia/Tarquin/etc) should probably count themselves in the 9%...

[Otta]

Fair point Jeremy.

I think there is a big gap though between disliking certain names as typical working / middle class, and actually discouraging your kids from being friends with thise kids.

Some people may have opinions on the names I've given my kids, but I would hope they wouldn't assume that they are a particular type of kid because of that name.

[Pickle]

This was cringeworthy viewing, but I laughed a lot when Katie, having stated she disliked "location" names like Brookyn and Paris, then revealed she had a child called India. Class and brains don't necessarily go hand in hand.

There are names I dislike, and am guilty of joking about, but there's a difference between that and actively preventing your kids from associating with children due to their names.

[stingray]

Dulwich Mum 'outed' herself last year I think it was.

[Otta]

Good for her. Massive turnaround for her to have a photo of her face.

[El Pibe]

God, watching that makes you think Louisa has a point!!

Pickle that made me laugh too.

[dulwichmum]

Watching it actually made me feel really sad. We all know it goes on, that interview just made it explicit. These people are out there.

[Alan Medic]

Hello DM. Long time no hear. Glad to see you have posted.

[malumbu]

I always liked the name Dennis Pennis.

[JDR]

I think she's crackers. On a personal note I was also upset by her jibes on Facebook about ginger babies ( I am ginger with three little gingers) and her comment ' ginger babies, like normal babies but harder to love' I found really terrible. I'm aware ginger ism is th last form of acceptable racism... ( interestingly friends from ethnic minorities have huge issues with the shit I take bout being red haired, white English claim its banter- discuss?). She is horrible, we should just discourage programmes from giving her screen time.

[giggirl]

Greetings DM. It's been a long time.

Yes it made me sad too. I wonder what her children will make of it when they're grown up.

[SCSB79]

JDR Wrote:

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> I think she's crackers. On a personal note I was

> also upset by her jibes on Facebook about ginger

> babies ( I am ginger with three little gingers)

> and her comment ' ginger babies, like normal

> babies but harder to love' I found really

> terrible. I'm aware ginger ism is th last form of

> acceptable racism... ( interestingly friends from

> ethnic minorities have huge issues with the shit I

> take bout being red haired, white English claim

> its banter- discuss?). She is horrible, we should

> just discourage programmes from giving her screen

> time.

Racism? Behave.

[Jah Lush]

We really should not be giving this appalling snob the oxygen of publicity that she so obviously craves.

[Otta]

Good point Jah.

This one's for JDR

 

[HonaloochieB]

Actually I reckon I was the other side of the coin to Katie, I point-blank refused to allow my son Plasterer to socialise with his schoolmates Poppy and Maximillian.

His little six year old self was gutted. Totally gutmans. But I know that what I forbade was correct.

When he grew to adulthood he changed his name to Pilates and has never spoken to me since.

I hear I now have a daughter-in-law by the name of Nasturtium whom I've never met.

So, if I had my time over again, I wouldn't change a thing.

I know I was right.

[uncleglen]

I was in a staffroom once and a young female teacher had her new class lists and was reading out some names (mainly boys) and said that these children are going to be trouble. One of them had the same name as my very successful son and I told her so - but the fact that she had this attitude and others seemed to agree with her was quite disturbing- she was a 'stuck-up' Lucy!

[JDR]

Otta - that made me and my husband laugh!

SCSB79

You say behave about calling it racism. I've been followed whilst groups have called me names and had abuse all my life based on nothing more than my hair colour. I've been in tears at times and had to go not shops to ask for assistance. As I said, people often dismiss it as banter but the surely any form of name calling/ opinions being given based on appearance or characteristics that you don't choose but are born with, that is racism/ discrimination?

Perhaps you have been lucky enough to not have random strangers call you names about your appearance throughout your life but unfortunately that's not been mine....

[maxxi]

FFS - that's bullying - and bullying based on hair colour or weight or dress or class or any apparent or perceived difference is awful, terrible and wrong - but to equate it with racism is disrespectful and belittles all victims of racism - so yes, behave.

[DJKillaQueen]

Prejudice is prejudice, whatever the reason for it. To suggest one form of prejudice is more worthy than another is a form of prejudice in itself.

[StraferJack]

It's not about prejudice being worthy, it's just that some prejudices have more consequence

[Lowlander]

Racism, antiziganism, antisemitism, gingerism...no point in semantics, it's the last tolerated taboo.

And tolerated only because they only constitute about 2% of the UK population.

It needs to be stopped.

[Lowlander]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> It's not about prejudice being worthy, it's just

> that some prejudices have more consequence

If there were more ginger people in the UK, there may be more consequences. There have been some pretty horrific examples of abuse, they just don't get widely reported...

[StraferJack]

I'm all ears/eyes. Genuinely interested

[StraferJack]

did some googling myself - interesting to see the results

link to a NS article as some context

http://www.newstatesman.com/nelson-jones/2013/01/should-ginger-bashing-be-considered-hate-crime