Back in ED and the Aircraft Noise is worst than EVER !

[Jeremy]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> It is possible the flight are now in a narrower

> landing corridor and that has increased the

> impact, but I don't think that is what has

> happened. I think it's simply been moved 1-2 miles south.

So you want them to fly over someone else's home... just not yours. Is that correct?

[fazer71]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> fazer71 Wrote:

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> > It is possible the flight are now in a narrower

> > landing corridor and that has increased the

> > impact, but I don't think that is what has

> > happened. I think it's simply been moved 1-2

> miles south.

>

> So you want them to fly over someone else's

> home... just not yours. Is that correct?

If it was a Motorway or flyover that had suddenly appeared at the end of your road you'd probably have issue the flight path over your house is no different.

We have never been asked if we minded aircraft to suddenly start flying over ED we have had no say in this life changing motorway in the sky.

I don't think it's a lot to ask... I'd like them fly where they were they were flying 50 year prior to dec 2012. IE 1-2-3-4 etc miles further north.

[edcam]

But the point is that they haven't "suddenly started" flying over ED. They've been doing it for the 20 years I've been here and I (like most people) haven't noticed an appreciable (or indeed any) difference.

fazer71 Wrote:

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> >

> If it was a Motorway or flyover that had suddenly

> appeared at the end of your road you'd probably

> have issue the flight path over your house is no

> different.

>

> We have never been asked if we minded aircraft to

> suddenly start flying over ED we have had no say

> in this life changing motorway in the sky.

>

>

> I don't think it's a lot to ask... I'd like them

> fly where they were they were flying 50 year prior

> to dec 2012. IE 1-2-3-4 etc miles further north.

[Jeremy]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> If it was a Motorway or flyover that had suddenly

> appeared at the end of your road you'd probably

> have issue the flight path over your house is no

> different.

Actually if there was a Motorway linking Peckham to the M25 I'd be all for it. Anything to avoid Catford.

The planes have to fly somewhere - we all use them. I expect you'll find fellow plane-phobes are everywhere, including 1-4 miles north of here.

[monkeylite]

"I don't think it's a lot to ask... I'd like them fly where they were they were flying 50 year prior to dec 2012. IE 1-2-3-4 etc miles further north."

Ah, the typical NIMBY response.

[fazer71]

edcam Wrote:

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> But the point is that they haven't "suddenly

> started" flying over ED. They've been doing it

> for the 20 years I've been here and I (like most

> people) haven't noticed an appreciable (or indeed

> any) difference.

>

Really .. I'm happy for you to see it like that ... but for me it's a completely new disturbance and I've also been here for over 20 years. Maybe your hearing isn't as good or isn't tuned into the same annoyance frequency ..

For me it's a living nightmare ..

I went to a meeting early in the year over in Brockley between Heathrow and Brockley residents and there were a lot of Brockley residents who also say things have changed since Dec 2012.

If you don't have a problem then that REALLY great for you .... !

[Otta]

Fazer, what about people (and there will be lots of them) who have bought properties 1-2-3-4 miles away from your house since Dec 2012. Is it fair that they should suddenly have planes flying over their place when they bought a home with no planes flying over? (not that I think you can buy a house anywhere in London that has no planes flying over)

[fazer71]

monkeylite Wrote:

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> "I don't think it's a lot to ask... I'd like them

> fly where they were they were flying 50 year prior

> to dec 2012. IE 1-2-3-4 etc miles further north."

>

> Ah, the typical NIMBY response.

Not really they were in someone else's back yard for many many years why should I suddenly have them in my back yard?

It's the change after many many years which is unreasonable. It's the change which hasn't been announced just forced on US.

how do you see that as nimbyism ... ?

I think funnelling every flight into Heathrow over ED is unreasonable unnecessary and an infringement of my human rights to a quiet life especially as prior to DEC 2012 I had bought into an area which was quiet.

To suddenly be invaded with constant aircraft noise is unacceptable nimby ... ummm

[fazer71]

Otta Wrote:

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> Fazer, what about people (and there will be lots

> of them) who have bought properties 1-2-3-4 miles

> away from your house since Dec 2012. Is it fair

> that they should suddenly have planes flying over

> their place when they bought a home with no planes

> flying over? (not that I think you can buy a house

> anywhere in London that has no planes flying over)

The aircraft had been flying over those areas for decades !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like Vauxhaull flights have been flying over Vauxhaull for EVER !!!!!!

They previously flew over the Thames and headed to Heathrow turning over Vauxhaull

Now they Fly over Blackheath Lewisham Brockley Forest Hill East / Dulwich etc etc etc

There's been lots of new paper articles in those areas about the disturbance...

[fazer71]

If it isn't a problem for YOU then why would make a comment?

Is it to shut up those of us who are affected ?

Are you concerned about the impact it will have on your property values or some other negative vibe it gives ED ?

Very odd.

[Otta]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

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> > Fazer, what about people (and there will be

> lots

> > of them) who have bought properties 1-2-3-4

> miles

> > away from your house since Dec 2012. Is it fair

> > that they should suddenly have planes flying

> over

> > their place when they bought a home with no

> planes

> > flying over? (not that I think you can buy a

> house

> > anywhere in London that has no planes flying

> over)

>

> The aircraft had been flying over those areas for

> decades

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> !!

>

>

> Like Vauxhaull flights have been flying over

> Vauxhaull for EVER !!!!!!

>

>

> They previously flew over the Thames and headed to

> Heathrow turning over Vauxhaull

>

> Now they Fly over Blackheath Lewisham Brockley

> Forest Hill East / Dulwich etc etc etc

>

>

> There's been lots of new paper articles in those

> areas about the disturbance...

If I move to London and buy a place (since December 2012, and then planes suddenly star flying over my home, I'm not going to care what they did before December 2012. Your own arguments are contradictory.

And Human Rights? Really?????

[Otta]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> If it isn't a problem for YOU then why would make

> a comment?

Because we're all desperate to see what happens when you explode.

[fazer71]

Otta Wrote:

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> fazer71 Wrote:

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> > If it isn't a problem for YOU then why would

> make

> > a comment?

>

>

>

> Because we're all desperate to see what happens

> when you explode.

LOL

[fazer71]

Otta Wrote:

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>

> If I move to London and buy a place (since

> December 2012, and then planes suddenly star

> flying over my home, I'm not going to care what

> they did before December 2012. Your own arguments

> are contradictory.

>

> And Human Rights? Really?????

Well I guess but it's very very annoying when after decades of quiet one feels suddenly as though they are living

Experiencing

the attack on Pearl Harbor groung hog of December 7, 1941....

Only slower and with jet aircraft and no bombs. So I guess it's ridiculous I should just live with the noise at least my physical life isn't at risk other than the potential for the noise to increase my chances of hear attack.

btw you trying to wind me up isn't helping mi ticker either ... :)

[edcam]

Fazer, I think what people are saying is that it sounds like quite an overreaction and an obsession, as it doesn't appear to be a problem for most people. Therefore your greatest problem might be with your reaction to the noise, rather than the noise itself.

Mention of "the attack on Pearl Harbour" as being similar would indicate the above to be true.

[fazer71]

edcam Wrote:

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> Fazer, I think what people are saying is that it

> sounds like quite an overreaction and an

> obsession, as it doesn't appear to be a problem

> for most people. Therefore your greatest problem

> might be with your reaction to the noise, rather

> than the noise itself.

>

> Mention of "the attack on Pearl Harbour" as being

> similar would indicate the above to be true.

You need to get a sense of humour Pearl Harbour :)

I am definitely more sensitive to the noise but that doesn't mean it isn't there or that it has increased. since dec 2012

Unfortunately there is no record of noise pollution levels or aircraft noise impact on SE22.

All I know is that I suffer and a few others also suffer.

Just because a bigger % don't suffer doesn't mean I shouldn't, unless you are using some odd logic?

[fazer71]

Looking at http://www.flightradar24.com/51.46,-0.17/13#./12?&_suid=141276998360509226923015083177

Today is quiet westerly landing have resumed and they are flying over the Thames so ED almost ZERO noise

IE how it was pre Dec 2012

[Jeremy]

They probably saw this thread and took corrective action.

[fazer71]

If only.

From tomorrow it'll be 4.30 am and 7 am every 2 mins 40 seconds of droneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing.

[Otta]

December 2012 you say?

Are you of Maya descent?

Perhaps you're hearing echos of the Rapture.

[Rolo Tomasi]

I like planes.

[edcam]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> Just because a bigger % don't suffer doesn't mean

> I shouldn't, unless you are using some odd logic?

No but it does suggest that your suffering is down to something more than the "noise".

[fazer71]

edcam Wrote:

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> No but it does suggest that your suffering is down

> to something more than the "noise".

The what ?

[edcam]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> The what ?

Well, precisely!

[fazer71]

;)