One for the Boxing fans!

[Otta]

And yes, bravo Hopkins. Pascal is no pushover. From the photos I've seen, Hopkins looked as though he'd really worked hard in the gym.

[Jeremy]

Do you reckon Haye/Klitschko will be on at the CPT?

[david_carnell]

Dunno....despite being in Hamburg, no doubt the American tv networks will make the fight start at 3am or somesuch nonsense.

The Dulwich Hamlets place often used to show fights and I saw Hatton vs Mayweather at the old George Canning.

[Otta]

I don't know. Hope it's on somewhere though.

[Jeremy]

Well Haye vs Valuev was on at a sensible time, but I guess there's a lot more interest in this one across the pond.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

I was surprised that boho had the groves fight on. Strange place to watch it but enjoyable all the same with a few white russians. Not sure the ladies in their saturday night finery were that interested. Manager said he shows most big events.

[Jeremy]

Useful info, HMB!

[tommy]

Was glad Groves won, although a draw would have been fair enough. De Gale should have had a point deducted for cheeky shoulders and elbows.

[Otta]

CPT are definitely showing the Haye fight.

[Jeremy]

Otta Wrote:

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> CPT are definitely showing the Haye fight.

Good stuff. Hopefully see you there (and maybe some of the other boxing posters...)

[taper]

I was watching a few 70s heavyweight fights the other day. Amazing how good the nearly men were - so Jerry Quarry, Shavers, Ron Lyle. makes you realise how weak the heavyweights are today, bar the top two or three. Quarry Shavers and Foreman Lyle are worth watching if you have ten minutes to kill.

[KidKruger]

Helenius to beat Fury most likely if they ever meet.

I fancy Derek Chisora to beat Fury too - I heard they have a contest lined-up soon.

Froch v Johnson should be a cracker but I wouldn't like to call that fight.

If Haye fight is on at CPT I may stroll over - will be a good crowd there I expect like last time.

[Jeremy]

I really think Froch should beat Johnson handily... I hope I don't have to eat my words on Sunday.

Khan's fighting Zab Judah in a couple of months - should be a cracker.

[KidKruger]

Well Froch ground-out a win, well done to him, Johnson is a tough guy to beat.

Scary thing (and paradoxic thing too) is that Froch seems to display obvious flaws when he's in most contests, he was open to big rights last night, all night long. Yes, he could take them, but wouldn't it be better not to ? i mean cumulatively they will take their toll during a fight sometime.

Andre ward must be really looking forward to the final in the Super Six, he knows Froch can be got to. Ward is unorthodox, dirty (head/elbows/shoulder) and is a great mover - hard to tag. I want Froch to win of course but if I had to bet money it'd be on Ward winning by points. Froch is strong enough to take Ward's shots I think and he could KO Ward, but he has to hit him to do that. Ward made Kessler look amateur and, with his dirty tricks, split Kessler's face up, causing a stoppage. If Froch starts to labour into all out war with Ward, his openess may lead to Ward winning rounds by scoring points or marking Froch with the head. Good win for Froch last night, a hell of a lot to do yet.

[KidKruger]

This guy I may have mentioned a while back in this thread as a possible opponent for Nathan Cleverly. Now it appearss he wants Cleverly:

Shumenov wants Cleverly

Shumenov is very good IMO. He a won world title after 9 fights.

I don't think Cleverly will take-up the offer and if he does I believe he will suffer a loss.

Braemer also backed-out of fighting Shumenov I believe - I think he literally didn't turn-up on the day or left on the day citing an ear ache or something !!

[Otta]

Mayweather to make another comeback

[KidKruger]

There's a good article on EastSideBoxing about why this contest is a sham. Mayweather knows exactly what Ortiz's strengths are and why they've succeeded against other boxers (ie. Andre Berto, who he beat to win the WBC belt recently). Thing is, Ortiz's strengths wouldn't be achievable against Mayweather which is why he's lined-up the fight, he's just not open to those moves. Will create a lot of interest, earn loads of money, but not really be tested.

The only real fight out there for Mayweather is Manny, anything else is a sham.

I think he'd beat Manny though.

[Otta]

My first reaction was that it was a warm up fight for him. Bit crazy to think of a world title fight as a warm up, but he (along with Manny) is in a different league.

I just hope they can finally get it on, earn a shed load, find out who the best is, then retire.

[KidKruger]

I don't think Mayweather will ever actually fight Manny, he asked for $100 Million for that contest - 10% of a BILLION dollars !! This sum was IMO proposed because he knows it's unrealistic. I'd love to see what he does if that offer did come through, I feel there would be another reason the fight couldn't happen.

The Ortiz fight will earn money and get Mayweather another World Title for his collection, he wouldn't want anything less than a world title contest, given his pedigree and the legacy he clearly still wants to protect. I think he's infatuated with preserving his 'O'.

The Ortiz fight may well be a warm-up fight, but not for a fight with Manny Pac !!

[Jeremy]

I think it's a legitimate fight - even if Mayweather is the overwhelming favourite.

Ortiz is one of the top guys at the weight... a bit harsh to call it a sham.

[KidKruger]

I'm really quoting the article on ESB which says it's a sham. I'd watch it, and it's certainly not a sham inthe sense of Haye/Harrison. BTW I think Harrison is making a comeback in the late autumn.

[Otta]

Harison will probably point to George Foreman, and Bernard Hopkins as examples of older guys winning world titles... Unfortunately for him, they were world champs as young men too, and just carried on at that level.

[KidKruger]

The guy they're lining Harrison up with will walk through him and retire him for good anyway, regardless of what Harrison says !!

[taper]

I remember Harrison's gold at the Olympics. I watched every one of his fights. He looked excellent and had terrific heart. Christ knows what happened to him.

[Otta]

He decided to go it alone, rather than getting involved with the likes of Frank Warren. I respect him for taking that stance, but equally, had he been guided by an experienced promotor, they would've made the right decisions for him, and you never know what could've been.

He's deluded, and has an ego that he can't back up.

A shame indeed, I really do think it could've been different. He wouldn't have been the greatest, but neither was Bruno, and he can at least say that he was a world champ.