New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham

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"The past is a place to visit not to live" Discuss

[BrandNewGuy]

adsyb99 Wrote:

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> Bit harsh BNG, there's been quite a few street

> food vendors who have made a very successful

> transition. Meat Liquor, Burger Bear, Pizza

> Pilgrims etc......

Burgers and wings, burgers and pizza. Not exactly piopneering - nor are their locations. But lamb wraps near The Plough? Hmmm.

[strae]

ED is special, but it's certainly not unique:

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Are you to blame? Yes, you. Don?t look shifty, you know you have played your part in this. I saw you in the new organic restaurant and then at the pub drinking that fine craft beer. Yes, I am not surprised you are looking sheepish because it?s people like you who are changing this neighbourhood. What?s that you say? You only wanted to make it look nicer; help the new start-ups? Well that?s the problem. All that seemingly innocuous activity is what?s known as gentrification and it?s a word that?s getting a very bad reputation.

The upgrading of inner-city neighbourhoods by energetic newcomers and city councils is seeing places become transformed and beautified from the US to Australia. But as this happens there is the unfolding of an inevitable series of events as even more aspirational businesses move in, a supermarket that stocks kale arrives, the landlords and property folk spot an opportunity to make even more cash and then? Well the people who used to live here get squeezed out. But is it wrong? Should it be stopped? Isn?t it better to have a good trendy bakers rather than a shit corner store? It?s a conundrum served in sourdough bread.

Here?s a good example. Many poorer communities, the argument goes, are poor because they are disconnected from the wider city. If only there were better subway or bus connections then these neighbourhoods would flourish, is the thinking. Well in London we are seeing the construction of a new rail and underground route called Crossrail that will join up neglected and flourishing spots on the map. It will come into service in 2018. But who will be the winners? Well judging from the ads for brand new deluxe properties around the stations it won?t be just the locals. The new super-connected hoods are going to be going upmarket and the people who have prayed for change will wonder what hit them.

So would they have been better off if they had been neglected, left a bit off the grid? If the streets were swept less it might keep out the gentrifiers but that doesn?t sound like a vote-winning solution.

Yet while the market and local politicians may be able to do little more than shepherd the process it feels like we are at a point where people are willing to make a stand: to refuse to be turfed out of their homes to make way for the new and improved. But while they may have their victories or feel like the election of, say, Bill de Blasio in New York as mayor marks a stand against the gentrifiers, the jury is out on whether anything can really stop the hipsters, tech-ers and global money folk from claiming the city as theirs.

By Andrew Tuck @ Monocle

http://monocle.com/monocolumn/2015/enough-dough/

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[DaveR]

I can understand and sympathise when an area changes demographic and businesses that might have been around for years and doing OK either see their customer base disappear, or get priced out of commercial property. I can also understand long standing residents resenting an influx of different people, who dress different, talk different, want different things and are responsible (if not culpable) for the consequent impact on said businesses.

But, when you start saying (i) all the new businesses are rubbish and dishonest, selling poor stuff at a high price and (ii) the people who patronise them are idiots, who like paying over the odds because it makes them feel superior, then inevitably you're going to get called a stupid malicious old troll, and you probably are one (even if you don't know it).

Edited to add:

this was posted about 15 mins later:

"Well the Good Old Folk of ED are literally Queueing up to splash the cash..

Standards can be low. Prices can be high.

Customer can be treated with contempt.

... But the higher the price.. the longer the queues.. "

[MrBen]

steveo Wrote:

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> Victus & Bibo!

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> That's the new sign in the old Moulin restaurant

> at the Plough. Stall holders turn restaurateurs.

once again...looks like they've used the Hipster Name Generator Seabag found:

http://www.hipsterbusiness.name/

[Mick Mac]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> steveo Wrote:

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> > Victus & Bibo!

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> > That's the new sign in the old Moulin

> restaurant

> > at the Plough. Stall holders turn restaurateurs.

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> > Mmm, Lamb wraps with halloumi; I could eat one

> of

> > those now

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> it looked like a clothes market inside a shop when

> I passed a few days ago - is it going to be a

> restaurant?

its currently a nearly new pop up - that obviously what's I saw - but Victor is coming. https://twitter.com/peggoulac/status/556520886103465984

[Mick Mac]

Also - its good to have something decent up "our" end of the Lane.

[cle]

Clapham utopia indeed! Surely that is all gift shops and baby rubbish. Not interested. But it's undeniable the progress our city has made in terms of eating, and if that alienates the awful places of the past, brilliant. See you later. Don't care.

I was being kind with earthy too. Try racist, hate-filled, uneducated Kipper slums, like most places along the Estuary. Forsaken.

[Louisa]

its very easy to overstate the influence of the new gentrified London. We have the largest concentration of fried chicken shops of any city in the world and more McDonalds than any city outside of the United States. Hardly something to be proud in a city so gentrified and transformed eh cle?

Your opinion of towns along the estuary is typical exaggerated city dwelling lefty snobbery btw - but glad you air those views because many on here would be too scared to say what they really think. Your evaluation is no different to my rants about yummies and ironic beards and glasses in gentrified urban suburbs of inner London. Lots of rough around the edges assumptions about the people you do not live amongst or know little about (I presume), coupled with the ease of throwing around the terms hate-filled, racist, and uneducated loosely and without any acknowledgment that you are of course sneering at the highest level (as I an often accused of doing) with some awful blanket stereotypes. Ah well, that's the fun of the forum I guess!

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

Well it's no secret that there is a lot of poverty in London. It's not just graduates, young families, hipsters, craft beer and food markets. Besides, I quite like McDonalds... sometimes even fried Chicken. But just because junk is widely available, doesn't change the fact that the quality and variety of food available has improved immeasurably.

[ And yes... it has become a bit of a cliche, for the self-proclaimed liberal urban elite to assume that everyone outside of London is a racist, uneducated Daily Mail reader and it is getting a little tiresome. ]

[Louisa]

Indeed Jeremy, which all came to a climax recently with that Labour MP who went to the Rochester by-election and tweeted that patronising snobby picture online. It's easy for someone like cle who (presumably) lives in an edgy urban environment to make assumptions about people. Bare in mind, the population of many of those allegedly racist hate filled narrow minded towns along the estuary, were or are filled with born and bred Londoners who were either moved during regeneration schemes or chose to retire by the sea. I'm pretty sure most of those people would not like to be labelled narrow minded bigots if they grew up in this sort of inner-London environment, surrounded by every type of race and nationality on earth. It's painfully embarrasing for the left to have such a sharp divide between urban hip lefties and traditional socialists, and does the Labour Party movement no favours at all.

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

One one hand I don't think it would be a stretch to say that many of these towns outside of London are less tolerant (e.g. UKIP support inside London vs the rest of SE England). But at the same time... recently a friend of a friend posted something on Facebook along the lines of "Kent and Essex are full of racists", and it just struck me as really ignorant and smug.

[ernesto]

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[antantant]

Does anyone know when "The Hope" [New Antic bar near Whetherspoons in Peckham Rye] is opening? I thought it was meant to be September last year?

[Louisa]

Jeremy yes this is true, but bare in min a lot of these estuary towns are traditional Labour heartlands, and to be honest aren't entirely homogenous white Britiish enclaves, towns like Chatham have a long tradition of immigrant communities settling (probably even before London) and they only fall into the hands of people like UKIP because the traditional left feel disenfranchised from their socialist roots run by the guardianista snobby elite from London (in their eyes at least).

Louisa.

[Penguin68]

I find this thread genuinely useful when on-topic - please don't give hostages to fortune for a Lounge-wards lurch.

[Jeremy]

It is still "coming soon" according to the website... maybe worth an email/tweet?

[antantant]

Just sent them an email - both "The Hope" and "John the Unicorn" are taking longer than I hoped!

Jeremy Wrote:

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> It is still "coming soon" according to the

> website... maybe worth an email/tweet?

[jimbo1964]

Victus and Bibo sounds promising. I work really near their Farringdon stall. I was in Wimbledon the other day and there were quite a few Lebanese places. Can't beat a good wrap and salad sometimes.

[antantant]

In case anyone else is interested...

I just had a response from Antic pubs - they're looking at The Hope (Melon St Peckham) opening in 6 weeks and John the Unicorn in mid March.

Very exciting, and really impressed at their quick response to me.

antantant Wrote:

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> Does anyone know when "The Hope" is opening? I

> thought it was meant to be September last year?

[Jeremy]

Thanks antantant. Yep, impressive response time.

[MrBen]

I wrote to the freeholder of The Patch offering to buy the building.....I'm still waiting for an answer...

[Louisa]

MrBen I contacted Nandos directly about The Patch and they responded same day and forwarded me directly onto some senior property person within the company who asked me further questions and its exact location etc etc - this was a good month or more ago now though.

Louisa.

[MrBen]

Louisa...are you in the commercial property game?