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Otta Wrote:

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> I think Ed Miliband is a decent man and I think he

> has some good ideas, I just think he's a media

> disaster, and unfortunately he lives in a time

> where substance means @#$%& all, and playing well

> to the cameras / microphone means everything.


I don't disagree with that, but I think Labour chose him because they thought he did look good on screen, and when you take that away there's not enough substance to carry him through either (compared say with Gordon Brown during the referendum; he was never that great visually but that speech was more powerful than anything the current leaders did). I don't have a TV so my impression of Miliband in action is based on radio, where he has always sounded less substantial than Cameron et al. Looks like a nice guy, though.

Otta Wrote:

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> I think Ed Miliband is a decent man and I think he

> has some good ideas, I just think he's a media

> disaster, and unfortunately he lives in a time

> where substance means @#$%& all, and playing well

> to the cameras / microphone means everything.


If you shit on your own brother's obvious career aspirations, you are likely a shit person.


Decent... ? No.

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> If you shit on your own brother's obvious career

> aspirations, you are likely a shit person.

>

> Decent... ? No.


I dunno, I think that was a principled stand.

He obviously had no time for Blairites/sm, was immediate to distance the party from all that and saw his brother as the head of a faction that wanted to drag Labour deeper into the mire.

I don't think it was personal, I'm sure they still get on better than your Hitchens did (whilst they were both alive and stuff).

El Pibe Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

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> -----

> > If you shit on your own brother's obvious

> career

> > aspirations, you are likely a shit person.

> >

> > Decent... ? No.

>

> I dunno, I think that was a principled stand.

> He obviously had no time for Blairites/sm, was

> immediate to distance the party from all that and

> saw his brother as the head of a faction that

> wanted to drag Labour deeper into the mire.

> I don't think it was personal, I'm sure they still

> get on better than your Hitchens did (whilst they

> were both alive and stuff).



Agreed. He took on his broither because he believed he was better to take the party forward. His brother probably would have played the part better, but any Blairite can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

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