Ched Evans situation

[Loz]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Rolf Harris is paying the price for His crimes..

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> One day he will be released. 'Having served His Time'

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> Can't see him being invited back to the Glastonbury Stage. or topping the bill at the London Palladium.

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> Same applies.

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> DulwichFox

Don't forget though Foxy, that is the same mob attitude that hounded Barrymore and Matthew Kelly out of their jobs. Yet they were never found guilty of anything.

[StraferJack]

more will rumble out of this case yet

"Despite the comments to the BBC earlier by the force?s chief constable, Sir Peter Fahy, Greater Manchester police say they are not aware of any threats to the club. PA has this:

A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the force was not aware of any threats made to anyone connected to Oldham Athletic. "

[maxxi]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> Well, that's rather *why* there's an appeals

> process isn't it?

> Though (and im REALLY no expoert) doesn't it have

> to be based on new evidence, else its just a

> retrial.

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The way I understood it it's not an appeal but an investigation by Criminal Cases review people to see if conviction was 'unsafe'.

Thought his apology for 'the effects' of the case rather pathetic.

[Loz]

maxxi Wrote:

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> Thought his apology for 'the effects' of the case rather pathetic.

I suspect that is the most his lawyer would let him say. I doubt he drafted the statement himself.

At least he has finally said something about the 'supporters' harassing the poor girl. Though he could/should have really been far more damning.

[Otta]

What Loz said.

[Loz]

There are conflicting report on whether Simon Corney, Oldham's chairman/owner has resigned. That could trigger a whole different crisis for the club.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Today's Popbitch says just because Oldham said no, that doesn't mean Ched Evans will take it as an answer..

Weirdly I think they may be right.

[ratty]

cant believe some people on here think this person is entitled to his job back so readily. I certainly would not be allowed to do mine if I raped a virtually unconscious 19 yr old.

Astounded

[uncleglen]

Especially when young men in said job is notoriously good at attracting 19 year-old girls

[ClareC]

I can't believe he can see no wrong doing. As for the girlfriend standing by him, how can she find his actions acceptable? Wrong on so many levels.

I wouldn't be able to do my job with even the most minor of convictions (if there is such thing).

If he had apologised and shown remorse he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the attention he is receiving.

[Loz]

ratty Wrote:

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> cant believe some people on here think this person is entitled to his job back so readily. I

> certainly would not be allowed to do mine if I raped a virtually unconscious 19 yr old.

Hang on - don't you work in social work type areas? Where a failed DBS check would prevent you from working? i.e. the law? So you are comparing apples with oranges. (And didn't you used to work with prisoner rehabilitation?)

I just do not like the mob making up new extra punishments as they go along. Noam Chomsky once said, "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." I'd extend that to, if we don't believe in justice and fairness for those we despise, we don't believe in it at all. Evans, as despicable as he is, has served the time as set by the court - he should now be able to resume his life to whatever extent the law allows.

[JohnL]

But tradition in this country is you show remorse and contrition first

He should have waited until after legal issues sorted - then if still guilty worked with charities for a year or so

Loz Wrote:

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> ratty Wrote:

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> > cant believe some people on here think this

> person is entitled to his job back so readily. I

> > certainly would not be allowed to do mine if I

> raped a virtually unconscious 19 yr old.

>

> Hang on - don't you work in social work type

> areas? Where a failed DBS check would prevent you

> from working? i.e. the law? So you are comparing

> apples with oranges. (And didn't you used to work

> with prisoner rehabilitation?)

>

> I just do not like the mob making up new extra

> punishments as they go along. Noam Chomsky once

> said, "If we don't believe in freedom of

> expression for people we despise, we don't believe

> in it at all." I'd extend that to, if we don't

> believe in justice and fairness for those we

> despise, we don't believe in it at all. Evans, as

> despicable as he is, has served the time as set by

> the court - he should now be able to resume his

> life to whatever extent the law allows.

[JohnL]

Anyway another career threatened now - comparing Hillsborough - did he not realise ?

[????]

Unbelievable. just heard it - Do these people have brains he's meant to be a media trained spokesman, did he think what he said wouldn't,t be disastrous!

[Otta]

Do you mean the Hillsborough comment? Inside to my wife last night "he'll be resigning in the morning".

[StraferJack]

oh Steve.. Steve Steve Steve

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30742947

[david_carnell]

As someone who works in media, and trains people to appear in media, I cannot believe these people are saying ANYTHING.

The press officer for Hull and the FA need shooting.

[Jeremy]

"they have just seen Ched Evans as a convicted rapist - but when you look at the case and the evidence then certainly Ched has got a case"

We're on dangerous ground when we start believing that our own opinions based on the available evidence (i.e what you're read about it) take precedence over formal proceedings..

[Alan Medic]

Everyone on here thinks the guy is a bastard and guilty as hell. He may well be but I'd rather wait for the formal proceedings to finish before deciding that. Not that it matters a hoot what I think.

[maxxi]

If we accept the principle of presumed innocent until proven guilty then we must equally accept found guilty as charged until shown otherwise. Everything else is opinion.

[Alan Medic]

A jury is made up of a selection of opinions.

[Robert Poste's Child]

As I understand it, he received a fair trial, was found guilty and was subsequently also refused the right of appeal on the grounds that, although there was no force, violence or injury involved, the girl was clearly not in any condition to be able to give consent. Given the court had independent evidence of how drunk she was, it's hard to see that he has a case at the moment.

Surely if he had any real evidence he would have used it already, so presumably any new case would depend on some kind of legal weaseling.

In my view the context isn't helping him - he booked a room, apparently with the intention of picking up a girl and using it for sex, lied to the receptionist to get a key, had sex with a girl he hadn't met before who was clearly horribly drunk (straight after someone else), for a while being filmed, abandoned her once he'd used her despite knowing she was ill, then let himself out of the hotel in a secretive way. While of course that's not evidence of planning to commit rape, it's certainly predatory.

[LadyNorwood]

I don't understand why the other man (who had sex with the girl first) was found not guilty....

[Robert Poste's Child]

Different circumstances it seems - mainly that she arrived with him and he left openly via the main reception, in the process asking the porter to keep an eye on her, so perhaps it was felt that he could more reasonably have believed her to have consented.

[Otta]

I don't understand why an appeal was denied.

How can anyone be sure how pissed she was. The same amount of booze will effect different people differently, even if they're the same size and weight and all that.