'ED General issues' makes me wanna weep

[Jah Lush]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Foxy don't take everything *Bob* says to heart.

> Being locked up in my Ann Summers dungeon is

> enough to make anyone bitter.

>

> Louisa.

An image conjured.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag237/jahlushhead/11021265_1010769222269785_1415691314661683001_n_zpsblf3esq5.jpg

[Jah Lush]

Soho - The times they are a changing.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/may/17/london-soho-stories-sex-drugs-rock-and-roll?CMP=fb_gu&utm_content=buffer8f159&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Otta]

miga Wrote:

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> Otta, I know, but there's a lot of negativity

> about how places like Camden and Soho aren't the

> hubs of youth culture they once were. You're

> right, luxury flats being built near existing

> nightlife and causing that nightlife to be shut is

> a well documented issue. I was providing an

> alternative, more positive, view, that for the

> creation of vibrant youth culture all that's

> required is a creative youth with talent and a

> work ethic, and it will find a way. You have no

> idea how much it hurts me to have to be the

> positive one.

Our earlier posts were crossed so I hadn't seen your post which is indeed a positive thing.

I must admit when our band rehearsed recently in Peckham on a Friday night, I did find myself wishing I had some money and no kids to get home to as I made my way to the bus stop past lots of interesting looking stuff happening.

[miga]

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[Jeremy]

miga Wrote:

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> To be honest, even 10 years ago Camden or Soho wasn't

> really where I went to see cool bands

Ten years ago (or thereabouts) I think Camden was still a pretty good place to see bands... The Verge in particular had loads of new and smaller touring bands of the noisy rock/punk/indie variety.

[steveo]

In the near future the thirty somethings will look back on 2015 and say 'Back in my day nipper all this was fields of old moaning rockers.'

[Louisa]

It must surely be a great view from the top of that Ivory tower over in 'general issues'. I would ask to come up and have a peak from the top, but I fear I may be forced to shop in a sustainable food co-op (organic of course) or be confronted by a playful dog which potentially could traumatise me for life, or even worse, come across someone living in a caravan on a derelict patch of land (heaven forbid what that might do to property prices). Jesus Christ, shoot me now.

Louisa.

[aquarius moon]

I agree Louisa.

I don't venture across there very often. It's like another world.

[se22cat]

The Lounge lives up to its reputation as a more sedate passive/aggressive alternate dimension version of /r9k/ yet again.

Could Louisa be the final (aborted RAGEQUIT)form of Popcorn Mariachi?

[KidKruger]

FWIW I think there's very much a community in and around ED and it's environs.

I think a big part of it is that it's what YOU make it.

I'm constantly meeting people out and about that I know from here or there around ED, met new people on Saturday in the park and just bumped into them somewhere else a few mins ago.

I come from IOW, where if you want to, everyone knows everyone - it's up to you how you want it to be.

I get just the same social ride in ED, I'm busier these days but it's right there anytime I wanna play.

BUT if you don't want to engage it, it'll pass you right by.

So, for me, this DOES sound like moaning about the 'good ole days'.

[Jah Lush]

Word KK.

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> FWIW I think there's very much a community in and

> around ED and it's environs.

> I think a big part of it is that it's what YOU

> make it.

> I'm constantly meeting people out and about that I

> know from here or there around ED, met new people

> on Saturday in the park and just bumped into them

> somewhere else a few mins ago.

> I come from IOW, where if you want to, everyone

> knows everyone - it's up to you how you want it to

> be.

> I get just the same social ride in ED, I'm busier

> these days but it's right there anytime I wanna

> play.

> BUT if you don't want to engage it, it'll pass you

> right by.

>

> So, for me, this DOES sound like moaning about the

> 'good ole days'.

Totally disagree KK. There are multiple communities, most of the time being ships in the night. It's a pure myth spread by those of the 'G' form, that London is a great melting pot embraced by newbies to 'undiscovered wastelands' - pioneers in mixing with the working man and then championing their cause from said ivory tower. The effort isn't put in to create a community sense, it is put in to reinforce homemade barriers between them and us. Not saying this state of affairs is anything new, far from it. But in the old days it was less obvious because those that had could afford better areas and those that couldn't lived in the undiscovered world beyond the post code of the more fortunate. In other words, we all live together in the same places now and it's more obvious.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

To put it politely, that's a load of waffle.

You're thinking too much about this.

If you want community step out yer front door and embrace it, it's right there.

I don't make those distinctions between who I engage with when I'm out and about - if people want some of me and I do of them then it's game on, if not then we go past each other and it's all nice.

What's all this 'newbie' dross ? There's still people around, people are generally very nice people, go and dig them. That's it.

[Louisa]

KK which community? Where is it? For decades I knew neighbours on all sides, none of them had moved and even those that did went just up the road. Since house prices have rocketed, I've seen outsiders come in buy places up then sell them on again. Where is the sense of community spirit in that? It's ok for someone who comes from the IOW speaking about community, it's there and probably hasn't even slightly changed in decades. Well Peckham and ED have only changed as a result of the mobility and strength of the housing market, many of the buyers see these places as investment opportunities rather than a home. No need to embrace the existing community, it's only a ladder up after all. It's sad, all am saying.

Louisa.

[MrBen]

Otta Wrote:

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> Well for what it's worth I think Louisa is spot

> on. This isn't her talking about East Dulwich,

> this is London and if you show her thread to any

> long standing Soho resident I think they'd say

> it's bang on.

I'm not saying she doesn't have a point. Just suggesting that 35 threads and 500 plus career poats on the subject are just tiresome broken record wailings and unlikely to change anything.

[MrBen]

As well as entirely missing the point that big cities have ever been thus.

[maxxi]

Louisa Wrote:

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> KK which community? Where is it? For decades I

> knew neighbours on all sides, none of them had

> moved and even those that did went just up the

> road. Since house prices have rocketed, I've seen

> outsiders come in buy places up then sell them on

> again. Where is the sense of community spirit in

> that?

Some might say it has been changed by the greed of money-grabbing baskets (aka neighbours you knew for decades) who cashed in and sold up to start the ball rolling. If they had all stayed things might be different... wonder why they left?

[indiepanda]

MrBen Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Well for what it's worth I think Louisa is spot

> > on. This isn't her talking about East Dulwich,

> > this is London and if you show her thread to

> any

> > long standing Soho resident I think they'd say

> > it's bang on.

>

> I'm not saying she doesn't have a point. Just

> suggesting that 35 threads and 500 plus career

> poats on the subject are just tiresome broken

> record wailings and unlikely to change anything.

Exactly MrBen. Reading this thread I am reminded of the Serenity prayer (not that I am religious sort, but take the word God out and it still makes sense).

God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

[keekybreeks]

this thread is making me weep

[steveo]

How come the 'gentry' all voted Labour then?

Shurely shome mishtake

[Louisa]

Because Labour is the party of the urban elite doncha know.

Louisa.

[DaveR]

Lou, just because people don't talk to you, doesn't mean they don't talk to each other. Do you think the neighbours might have upped sticks and gone because they got a bit tired of listening to you banging on?

[CocoC]

Can someone please define for me what a 'vibrant' area of London is. I read about it on these threads a lot and would be interested to know the definition.

[Loz]

I dunno about 'vibrant', but 'edgy' seems to be any place with a reasonable number of prostitutes and a good chance of being mugged on a semi-regular basis.

[Seabag]

What's happening in Deptford?

My yard and distribution is there, but today as I hailed a cab outside of the station didn't bode well

"Parkside, off Blackhorse please"

"sorry, where's that mate"

"You know the Kentucky drive through?" I enquired

"Kentucky!" He tutted and shook his head, then drove off without me