Sun and Doves, The Apprentice, BBC Scandal

[Alan Dale]

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[jaybee82]

Mark sounds like Sir Alan's future Apprentice. He clearly saw an opportunity and took it.

Advertising on a prime time BBC show for ?165? There's the real bargain.

Anyone want a free skeleton...?

[Alan Dale]

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[woofmarkthedog]

There must be more skeletons in the closet.........boom boom

[Mark]

I feel a "Skeleton-gate" scandal about to hit the local press (or "Sun and Doves-gate" if Mark slips the journalist a few quid)

[Alan Dale]

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[Marmora Man]

There's always been an element of quid pro quo in all these programmes. Note the Chrysler vehicles - every episode features the badge at some stage. Similarly the various tasks require the Apprentices to visit different establishments. THey may give their time / resources for free but they see a return in the publicity.

Hardly a scandal - and not unique to this programme. Presumably it makes it slightly cheaper in production costs thus relieving the licence fee payer. Is any one daft enough to patronise the Sun & Doves on the basis it once formed a 30 second clip on Apprentice - or buy a Chrysler on the same basis?

IMO the programme has lost its original appeal and I would see some businesses not wanting to be associated with the brand - which now seems to represent a bunch of whingeing prima donnas that would not survive more than a week in a real business.

[dv1]

...and then after that scene, they then went onto what the narrator described as an 'East End market' which was actually East Street market in the Walworth Road (South London, not the East End). All very sub-standard.

[????]

It's a load old old crap - way past sell by date. I can't believe you weren't aware it's largely pantomine!

[jaybee82]

Did you find the show entertaining Alan? My view is if it ticks the entertainment box who cares what products and services are lauded in front of me. I cant say I noticed anyway!

[Keef]

I think it is getting tired, but I do still find it fun.

[Alan Dale]

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[zephyr]

It was great using the Sun and Doves. My boys were watching so I told them that that was where we hung out during our nurse training 20 odd years ago! Not sure they were very impressed though...

[redinjun]

I'm off tothe Sun and Doves in my new Chrysler, bought it today on a whim, going to the Sun and Doves on a whim, can't think why I bought the car or why I'm taking it to the pub. Anyone see that Grisham film with Julia Roberts and the young kid is in the Jailhouse and asked if he wants a 'sprite' and the camera shows a close up of a can of sprite for about two minutes full frame ! Still got a case of the stuff under the bed

[Kells]

I hear the Sun and Doves have a skeleton for sale.....Spotted an opportunity opposite the medical school? Well, along the road, first left, really.

Edited because I've yet to learn my left from my right.

[HonaloochieB]

Kells Wrote:

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> I hear the Sun and Doves have a skeleton for

> sale.....Spotted an opportunity opposite the

> medical school? Well, along the road, first left,

> really.

>

> Edited because I've yet to learn my left from my

> right.

It's easy Kells just say 'In the name of the Father' and the first hand to touch your forehead is your right one.

Easy.

I didn't spot this part as I only really watch the beginning and the boardroom bits, also I didn't bother with it until two weeks ago but was pretty well briefed by various conversations I listened to on the radio and from overheard conversations at work.

Not a patch on the US original.

Donald Trump, a man whose name can mean either a superior suit or a fart, or in his case a combination of the two and who dared to have two different barbers cut his hair at the same time.

[HonaloochieB]

Also why aren't these nebishes making more jokes and references about sralan.

'I was trying to sweeten the pot sralan' 'I'm voting him out because he puffs himself up sralan' 'I think I should stay in sralan because I'm the sort of person who won't leave until the job's done and demerara than hen's teeth these days' 'I'm not one to caster spersions sralan...' 'How much did you pay for your knighthood sralan'? etc.

And also at least one team should walk into the boardroom very very quietly humming Sugar Sugar by The Archies.

I reckon ratings would rocket.

[Mikecg]

Hes got a 700 Million pound fortune HB by manufacturing garbage, 3rd rate techno crap under the guise AMSTRAD aka sralan michael sugar trading. what a Bstard.

I would love to set up an office full of his crap and make him work in there for a month, can you imagine trying to operate the AMSTRAD PC1512 and em@ler and other crap and get results without being Fired.

And the hifi kit, is there any of it in existence or is it just being used for landfill. his cheap garbage is probably so environmentally damaging that it's causing mutinous freaks that wannabe 100 grand a year sralan brown nosing twats. you know that none of it is RoHS compliant, it's got ecological disaster written all over it. apart from that hes quite a good bloke.

[lard]

Thought his Amstrad stuff didn't make much at all and his wealth is actually just in property?

[Mikecg]

Check it out mate he was making it from 1970 and laughably revolutionized the computer industry in europe, He did make a lot of money through property.

[Sue]

Keef Wrote:

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> I think it is getting tired, but I do still find

> it fun.

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Yeh I agree, well past its sell-by date but still the only telly programme I actually bother to watch on a regular basis!

But I must be very naive, I had no idea this stuff was set up, I know an ex-contestant, and she never mentioned that. I'm a bit horrified by the Sun and Doves thing, surely that's not fair - selling the skeleton made money for one team, and the outcome was decided on profit v value.

[RosieH]

Wasn't the AMSTRAD PC1512 a PC from the 80s? I'd wager he would have a high time not getting fired if he were 20-odd years behind his compadres.

Consensus is that the bulk of his money is property these days - to be honest, it's neither here nor there - he's still got a shitload more than we have, but sadly not the humour to enjoy a cheeky sugary bum gag.

[Huguenot]

That's a real shame.

Most of the fun was thinking these apprentices were genuine idiots. I accepted that editing was going to exaggerate for our amusement, but not actually subvert it.

Theatre works on a principle called 'the willing suspension of disbelief', but the willing bit is lost if the tasks are a set-up.

To know that the whole thing is a performance really takes the gloss off.

This deserves a good attack of camberwell-gate.

[????]

I've tired a bit (a lot) of the "You're my idol Sir Alan, and I'm going to give it 110% to achieve my goal etc" stuff

[Alan Dale]

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