Gone.. everything is gone!!

[mockney piers]

Sorry Smg, wasn't aimed at anyone at all. I might start a campaign forthe return of second person plural 'ye'.

Disaster as quids point out is unavoidable when it happens regardless of medium, but there are very valid points about ownership, privacy and security when it comes to 'clouds'.

As for who pays? Who indeed, I guess advertisrrs was one thought but the bottom looks set to fall out of that Market, hence google's move towards software and operating systems. Don't expect to be getting google earth for free forever!

Ultimately it'll be down to the consumer to pay. Frankly I think it's crazy O2 giving me unlimited data for nowt, I'd be happy to pay a fair coin, though ?3 mb on roaming may be pushing the boundaries of fair just a tad.

Emails too will eventually cease to be free and I for one will be happy to pay a monthly fee to see a vast reduction I'm spam!

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

This is all way over my head. Probably the only thing I understood is that Ted Max seems to have a virulent case of sardonic clap. No booze on the weekend, then.

[lenk]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> What happens when we run out of fuels and there's

> no more electricity?

> What happens when energy companies go bankrupt and

> they can't afford to fix their 3 billion North Sea

> wind turbines?

> What happens when sea levels rise and all our

> homes are underwater, and the only survivors are

> living a tribal existence on high ground?

> What happens when the world is gripped by a virus

> turning us all into zombies?

> What happens when the cats and dogs decide to

> rebel?

The whereabouts of a few blurred .jpegs of that stag do in 2003 where you all wore snorkels and diving masks will be the least of your worries, I'd imagine.

[HonaloochieB]

I know what you mean PGC. Though I think I can relate to it in a low tech way.

Recently I found that I had a problem with condensation in my spare room and several boxes of books were mildewed beyond retrieval including my prized copy of F@cked By Rock by Zodiac Mindwarp, which was particularly warped and filthy.

So the solution would seem to be to get a spare copy of each book you buy as a backup and make sure they are kept well away from each other.

You know like the US president and vice president never travelling on the same plane.

That's where the cloud they're referring to comes into it.

[Keef]

I'd say that anyone who has all their photos on a site like flickr, and not stored elsewhere, deserves everything they get if they lose them! Harsh perhaps, but come on!

[Muley]

In terms of technological savvy I'm only just coming to terms with the Industrial Revolution, but what Mockney said about uploading your photos onto Facebook meaning they become their intellectual property, is that a fairly standard condition on these image sharing sites? If so then surrendering ownership and control of your own work would seem an outrageous price to pay for use of their facility.

(BTW, was going to add that Ted Max seemed to me to answer Moo's point above, but seeing as everyone's ignoring her I won't bother!)

[Moos]

Ignored, and now mis-spelt! Sob!

[????]

Did someone say something?

[bigbadwolf]

It must have been the wind.

[HonaloochieB]

Muley Wrote:

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> (BTW, was going to add that Ted Max seemed to me

> to answer Moo's point above, but seeing as

> everyone's ignoring her I won't bother!)

Muley it's Moos not Moo.

Cripes I hope she doesn't see that, she'll be livid.

[????]

Don't worry. I don't think Mooz is about.

[Muley]

Sorry, she fed me her home-made hallucinogenic marmalade in the Quiet Room a while back and I've been suffering random apostrophe flashbacks ever since

[Ted Max]

Moss = Drama Queen.

[bigbadwolf]

That was uncalled for Ted.

[Ted Max]

Kate Moss. Famous for it.

Sorry, thought I was posting in the "Tiny little irritations" thread.

[bignumber5]

I splashed ?50 on an external hard-drive, everything now backed up, then all CD's in storage somewhere, including all decent digital photos. Debating a massive amazon ?3-a-disc clearout, which would yield approx ?900. deduct the cost of the hard-drive and it's still a nice little stash, but I haven't got the bottle or the time: I prefer the security of having the originals somewhere, and it'd take about a week, 8 hrs a day, just to list all the cd's for sale on amazon!

Brother in law has done this/is in the process/just thought about it (can't quite remember, we're both usually rather pissed at extended in-law events) and used/is using/would use the cash to get himself a decent turntable and a small but perfectly formed collection of his favourites and classics on vinyl with the proceeds.

[mockney piers]

Poor muse!!

Muley, depends entirely on the terms of service. Flickr is much better in that you can actaully specify the licence using Creative Commons. I tend to allow non-commercial usage as long as whoever says it was me, and I've sold a dew for commercial usage via flickr. I wouldn't be making a living out o it mind, but you don't even get to say they're yours if facebook company sells them on.

In short, read the small print.

[bigbadwolf]

Can you lot stop being so bloody rude to Moodz please!

[mockney piers]

And BN5, nooooooooo hang on to them.

Compressed formats still sound terrible, so unless you're ripping them to genuinely lossless format at 50 odd mb a track then don't get rid of the originals.

Mind you I'm genuinely thinking about going all vinyly again, that's where the good sound is at and like quids, all you have to worry about is mildew.

[Moos]

Ha ha, I shall have to flounce more often, that was good stuff everyone!

Mewls.

[Muley]

Ah, cheers Mockney- and congratulations on your good news!

And sorry to you Muzz- I'm in fear now 'cos someone said you wuz from Peckham an' wuz well 'ard, an' that

[Moos]

Innit.

[mockney piers]

Ooh, thanks v much muley and in fact everyone for your best wishes, genuinely appreciated.

Right back to the clouds...

[jollybaby]

One of my good friend's house burned to the ground when she was three or four and so she has never seen any of her baby photos - I've always thought that was really sad.

[louisiana]

My mum's (parents) house was washed away by a river when she was a teenager. Similary, lost everything, with many photos etc for previous generation.

I have all my stuff on about three different external drives, have kept all my CD's, do not buy MP3's etc., and stay well clear of any DRM music (DRM = buy today, gone tomorrow). Considering a fire safe.