Tasty bivalves.

[DulwichFox]

Well Lou..

There are those who when defeated in any argument will resort to picking someone up on a grammatical error or spelling mistake..

If it makes those people feel better about themselves then so be it.

The next door neighbours, they are a joke.

They cultivate a garden which they smoke,

and send kids to local schools.

They must be growing up a bunch of fools..

DulwichFox

[Louisa]

edcam Wrote:

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> Louisa, I have tried to rise above it but the fact

> that you're criticising people for liking

> something but trying to imply that there are

> "underlying" reasons for someone liking a

> particular foodstuff is, frankly, foolish.

>

> Why do you think it's ok to patronise and insult

> people and then play the victim?

>

And how can you prove or disprove it is foolish edcam? Are you suggesting EVERYONE who eats expensive or status symbol food is doing so because they genuinely enjoy it? Or could there perhaps be some underlying class related issue going on here? Take a horse to water and well, you know the rest.

I am not patronising or insulting anyone, just calling them up on why they like certain things, as THEY do to me.

"Why does Louisa shop at that dreadful Iceland buying cheap nasty food?" Etc etc

Maybe myself and others shop there because they have to, maybe they genuinely enjoy the decent value for money prices. MAYBE they shop there because they have a chip on their shoulder and want people to think they're working class so they can fight against the system and be down with the commoners. Who knows???

Louisa.

[BrandNewGuy]

I like oysters but I also liked Iceland.

I?m middle class but we?ve got the scruffiest house on our road.

I moved here over 20 years ago ? too old to be a bl0w in, too young to be a bleedin? local.

I like proper pubs but also good restaurants.

I?m a 21st-century schizoid East Dulwich man.

[maxxi]

On the ocassions I feel oystery Moxons has served well enough - though I do prefer the more expensive natives (when they have them) to the rocks. Guinness or Champagne is my habitual accompanying slurp but I find a Cava works well too (Prosecco is too flaccid).

And of their kippers (Lapsang the beverage of choice) I always found the Manx ones plump and well smoked without tasting over-salted. Still rather a smoked sprat or seven though when the elusive little bleeders are around.

Of other tasty bivalves I suppose the scallop is the one I'd choose (a crisp white Burgundy) - not sure they travel well though, as they always (seem to) taste best in Cornwall, though that may be the air.

[Louisa]

http://m.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Shellfish-study-reveals-oysters-posh/story-24419548-detail/story.html

Interesting Cornish article about why people eat Oysters. Worth a read.

Louisa.

[Otta]

You're all a bunch of wrong'uns. Oysters, along with anything else that spent it's life in the sea, yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck!!! Stinky nasty grimness.

[Seabag]

Otta Wrote:

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> You're all a bunch of wrong'uns. Oysters, along

> with anything else that spent it's life in the

> sea, yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck!!! Stinky nasty

> grimness.

Someone's clearly poisson'd your mind Otta

Sea what I did there 🐳

[snowy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> http://m.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Shellfish-study-

> reveals-oysters-posh/story-24419548-detail/story.h

> tml

>

> Interesting Cornish article about why people eat

> Oysters. Worth a read.

>

> Louisa.

It doesn't really say anything which supports your argument though does it? It describes a research project that's taking place. Perhaps you've cherry picked the headline; which relates to a bit of text in the article:

"Some participants suggested feeling excluded from ?posh? shellfish such as oysters and lobster, while others admitted that they knew very little about how shellfish were produced and harvested". The headline is made by a sub editor, not the researcher.

It's an on going research project - and as someone who is clearly interested in this topic, you can keep track of it here: http://www.ecehh.org/research-projects/from-sea-to-saucepan/

[Otta]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > You're all a bunch of wrong'uns. Oysters, along

> > with anything else that spent it's life in the

> > sea, yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck!!! Stinky nasty

> > grimness.

>

> Someone's clearly poisson'd your mind Otta

>

> Sea what I did there 🐳

Badum, Tish!

Yeah, my old man worked in a fish market in Brixton for years, the smell of his coat when he'd come home has psychologically scarred me. Annoying really, as he used to bring home lovely (if you're in to that filth) fresh salmon and stuff like that which him and my mum would enjoy, but I never got the "benefit".

I have a colleague now who will have a fishy lunch at least once or twice a week. I have to sit there breathing through my mouth, and can't start eating my food until she's finished. I seriously hate the smell of fish, and anything that smells like that can't taste good (in my mind).

[DulwichFox]

Tests have found that three-quarters of British-grown oysters contain norovirus, BBC News has reported.

Norovirus, also known as ?winter vomiting bug?, is thought to affect up to 1 million people each year in the UK.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/11November/Pages/winter-vomiting-bug-found-in-most-oysters.aspx

Remember:- Heston Blumenthal shuts Dinner restaurant after norovirus outbreak..

You takes your choice.

I've never been poisoned by a curry or a doner...

DulwichFox

[BrandNewGuy]

"The test used to detect the virus was very sensitive and most of the positive samples contained very low levels of the virus. The FSA says that its test cannot distinguish between infectious and non-infectious types of norovirus, and it is not known how much norovirus a person would need to consume before it made them ill."

Nothing to see here, move along...

[Louisa]

Fox similarly I have had many kebabs and curries over the years and without exception (to date), I have no contracted any viruses or bacterial infections through food poisoning. Those facts you provide are from a verified source and expose the common sense of people who choice not to eat something which statistically is more likely to cause food poisoning than any of the shunned cheaper foods we refer to. Says it all really.

Louisa.

[BrandNewGuy]

It doesn't really 'say it all' though, does it. If you looked at who gets poisoned by chicken in this country, my hunch would be it's probably not exclusively toffs. Is champagne similarly more dangerous than cheap prosecco, I wonder...?

[Louisa]

BNG unfortunately it appears there may be a correlation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3252611/Why-catch-food-poisoning-oyster-haven-t-eaten.html

As this article exposes. The type of hidden danger you find in an Oyster can be passed on to those that haven't even eaten the food. Frightening stuff. All my critics should take a read.

Louisa.

[BrandNewGuy]

Haha! I love it when you go all serious, Louisa. And if you read the Daily Mail, you'll think that just stepping out of your house is a deadly activity.

Everyone knows there's a *risk* of food poisoning from oysters (they're raw, after all). But put it in perspective. There are nearly a million recorded cases of serious food poisoning a year in the UK and about 500 deaths. An insignificant number of those involve oysters.

[Jeremy]

Saying "people eat oysters to brag" is not really any better than saying "people shop in Iceland because they'd rather their kids eat cheap, unhealthy food than cook a proper meal".

Both are sweeping generalisations that apply to a minority. Neither even vaguely constructive or useful, serving only to smugly assert your superiority.

[EDOldie]

Oysters are delicious, I first ate one, very reluctantly, in France in the early 1980's and have been a fan of them ever since. The only reason they are expensive is because of demand. In France they remain a staple of the working class and very cheap. Particularly outside of Paris. They are also relatively cheap in most of the rest of Europe and seen as more of a working/middle class food than anything particularly snobby.

I also like Caviar but I only buy a small jar at Christmas every year to treat myself. I'm not trying to be posh I just love it.

Anyway the guy in the Village will, I hope, be successful with oysters. So if you've never tried one because you don't like the thought of it be brave, you're in for a real treat especially with a nice glass of dry white to wash it down with.

[JoeLeg]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Whatever floats your boat. Oysters are eaten to

> make the person feel good, they enjoy the process

> of eating it and the price, that's my opinion. I'm

> not knocking it

>

> Louisa.

Firstly you're wrong - a lot of people actually enjoy the flavour, so your statement is incorrect.

Secondly you ARE knocking it, your previous posts made that pretty clear.

Seeing as you mentioned it, why don't you stroll down to Jason at Sopers one day and ask him what kind of people buy his oysters, his lobster, his crab and so on? You might get an interesting answer.

[edcam]

Louisa Wrote:

> And how can you prove or disprove it is foolish

> edcam? Are you suggesting EVERYONE who eats

> expensive or status symbol food is doing so

> because they genuinely enjoy it? Or could there

> perhaps be some underlying class related issue

> going on here? Take a horse to water and well, you

> know the rest.

I don't need to prove it. It clearly is foolish to generalise about people in the way you do. You've been shown that oysters are not always expensive or "status symbol" food, yet you carry on making a fool of yourself because you are too proud to back down, grow up and admit that you are wrong.

>I am not patronising or insulting anyone, just

>calling them up on why they like certain things,

>as THEY do to me.

You are though. That's abundantly clear in your posts on the subject.

> "Why does Louisa shop at that dreadful Iceland

> buying cheap nasty food?" Etc etc

I haven't said that, yet you seem to be perfectly happy bundling me in with the perceived food snobs that you think those who eat oysters are.

> Maybe myself and others shop there because they

> have to, maybe they genuinely enjoy the decent

> value for money prices. MAYBE they shop there

> because they have a chip on their shoulder and

> want people to think they're working class so they

> can fight against the system and be down with the

> commoners. Who knows???

I don't care where you shop or what you eat to be honest.

> Louisa.

As someone said above, you can be highly amusing on this forum and many of your posts are fun to read but when you behave like this, I'm afraid you just come across as a troll or an idiot.

[Louisa]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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>

> Firstly you're wrong - a lot of people actually

> enjoy the flavour, so your statement is

> incorrect.

I have at no point stated some people don't enjoy the taste of these things. God knows why, but yes I concede that is true. Equally, a sizeable number, will be choosing to eat them purely for aesthetic and imagined superiority reasons. I'm not privy to the percentages here, but I wouldn't mind guessing that the numbers of people who consume these things are higher in gentrified neighbourhoods than elsewhere. Can someone pull up some facts for me here please?

> Secondly you ARE knocking it, your previous posts

> made that pretty clear.

>

> Seeing as you mentioned it, why don't you stroll

> down to Jason at Sopers one day and ask him what

> kind of people buy his oysters, his lobster, his

> crab and so on? You might get an interesting

> answer.

I'm not doing anything other than stating an opinion about something. Simple as that. I'm a fairly regular visitor to Soper's of Nunhead, so I will take up your challenge and ask Jason directly on my next visit and report back. I reckon unlike our continental cousins, class is a big indicator of the type of customer who buys these things.

Louisa.

[jacks09]

you are knocking it.

"snot in wannabe ash trays"

Just be consistent. and try and be nicer.

[DulwichFox]

People who really like fish go to Sopers.. Those who claim to like fish go to Moxham's cos its more expensive and in East Dulwich.

DulwichFox

[Louisa]

edcam Wrote

> I don't need to prove it. It clearly is foolish

> to generalise about people in the way you do.

> You've been shown that oysters are not always

> expensive or "status symbol" food, yet you carry

> on making a fool of yourself because you are too

> proud to back down, grow up and admit that you are

> wrong.

I'm sorry edcam but your argument is on shakey ground here. You are saying my generalising needs justification but your reasons for not generalising do not? It's not always about the price of an item as you imply. You are pretty much of the opinion that there is no class related issues associated with Oysters (and the implication would be the same for any food I imagine?), and therefore I am making a fool of myself for even suggesting so. If you want to take that point of view, that's fine, but at least try and prove your point and don't assume the reasons are purely about taste and nothing else. Food snobbery does exist.

>

> You are though. That's abundantly clear in your

> posts on the subject.

I'm patronising people by suggesting that there may be reasons over and above the taste of something for someone loving it? If that's the case, are they not patronising me by suggesting the same about shopping at Iceland?

> I haven't said that, yet you seem to be perfectly

> happy bundling me in with the perceived food snobs

> that you think those who eat oysters are.

Haven't bunked you in with anyone. Just expressed my honest felt opinion about SOME peoples reasons for eating certain things. It works both ways btw, I deal with food snobbery on a daily basis on this forum.

> As someone said above, you can be highly amusing

> on this forum and many of your posts are fun to

> read but when you behave like this, I'm afraid you

> just come across as a troll or an idiot.

I'm only amusing when I'm discussing something that people don't take personal offence to. We can't all agree on everything, and I'm not tempering my views just because a few people enjoy certain things I do not. This opinion is just because I don't like something and you and others do, it's more profound than that. It's about the reasons for people choosing to eat certain things.

Louisa.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> There are those who when defeated in any argument

> will resort to picking someone up on a grammatical

> error or spelling mistake..

If you are referring to my picking you up on constantly using "would of" instead of "would have", exactly what argument have I been defeated in?

[Louisa]

jacks09 Wrote:

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> you are knocking it.

>

> "snot in wannabe ash trays"

>

> Just be consistent. and try and be nicer.

I'm knocking the Oyster yes, I'm not knocking people's reasons for eating them though. I'm simply suggesting the taste isn't the only reason ALL people eat them, I think any reasonable person would accept that as fact. I am 100% consistent with my argument (as always), and yet people seem to take some sort of imagined or contrived offence at my expression of that opinions. Bizarre.

BTW how would you recommend me being nicer? Shall I tag a patronisingly smiley at the end of each sentence?

Louisa.