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messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Cardelia February 17, 11:35AM

Southern services through East Dulwich are already DOO and they have been for years. Same with the SouthEastern metro services that run through Denmark Hill, Peckham etc.

The 8/12-car long-distance Southern services to Brighton are not DOO. However, the 8/12-car Thameslink services - which operate on exactly the same bit of track and stop at exactly the same stations* - are DOO. I'm not aware of any research which shows that Thameslink trains are more dangerous than the equivalent Southern trains on this route. The safety argument is a smokescreen by the RMT/ASLEF because they don't want to lose their position of power over the train operating companies.

* from East Croydon to Brighton

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by MDMDPD February 17, 11:52AM

That may be so but whether RMT / ASLEF have power over train operating companies should be nothing to do with us in ED with a Zone 2 station. We shouldn't be dependent on private train operating companies because we live in an inner city area where the car is not a feasible alternative for commuting.
We have tracks, we should have TFL trains where we can hold our local government and Mayor to account over the delivery of these services via the ballot box.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by geobz February 17, 12:30PM

MDMDPD Wrote:
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> That may be so but whether RMT / ASLEF have power
> over train operating companies should be nothing
> to do with us in ED with a Zone 2 station. We
> shouldn't be dependent on private train operating
> companies because we live in an inner city area
> where the car is not a feasible alternative for
> commuting.
> We have tracks, we should have TFL trains where we
> can hold our local government and Mayor to account
> over the delivery of these services via the ballot
> box.

Completely agree with you, but if that happens how are politicians going to eat off companies? My understanding is that someone is profiting massively under the table from Southern (Govia) being where it is right now and thats the sole reason of it not being sucked.

If I was the Gov I would ask Southern to return any profits within the past 2 years that this joke has been going on, but of course thats not going to happen.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by MDMDPD February 17, 12:56PM

Probably true, nothing would surprise me. The government isn't going to do anything. The Association of British Commuters is doing a great job trying to hold the government to account through a legal process but it'll degenerate into a whitewash.

But in our area, we shouldn't have anything to do with Southern or any other private rail company. The Mayor is responsible for tranport in London so it should be within his remit to say, 'My City, My tracks, I'm going to run some trains on them' as per the rest of inner London

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Dogkennelhillbilly February 18, 01:08PM

The track isn't owned or controlled by the Mayor.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Nigello February 18, 05:07PM

As an aside, but a relevant one in that it is about a form of public transport that hasn't caught on in the UK very much, here's an article I found after I had read about a new "super bus" system in Hanoi: [www.theguardian.com]
Could it catch on here, in London, and especially our part of it?

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Jeremy February 18, 05:35PM

Nigello - the problem is that London is a very old city with narrow streets. Even with dedicated bus lanes (which we already have to some degree) it's always going to be a slow service.

I did chuckle about the "Londoners, blessed with the world’s pre-eminent public transit system" line. Compared to where??

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by KidKruger February 18, 07:12PM

Lol

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Lowlander February 23, 02:42PM

Just a note to anyone who uses North Dulwich. It's been silent for about a year with no automated announcements. Someone seems to have switched them back on in the last week.

And they announce that passengers should change at London Bridge for Blackfriars/Cannon Street.

Blackfriars/Cannon Street trains are not stopping at London Bridge until 2018...

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Renata Hamvas February 23, 03:58PM

delays this evening due to the storm
Renata

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Nigello February 23, 06:26PM

The man at N Dulwich today was useless: had no idea when the next train was, how many an hour, how long they take. He just pointed at the far corner and said "there's a timetable there". I told him I was not impressed that he did not know the answer to three basic questions.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Jennys February 23, 08:14PM

There is a wonderful member of staff at Denmark Hill who makes all kinds of helpful announcements. What a pity the East Dulwich guy is hopeless.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Lowlander February 23, 09:16PM

There's a rotation of at three staff I know of at North Dulwich.

One of whom seemed is quite abrupt and probably the one you're talking about.

The other two are quite good (including the lady).

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by geobz February 24, 04:25PM

Jennys Wrote:
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> There is a wonderful member of staff at Denmark
> Hill who makes all kinds of helpful announcements.
> What a pity the East Dulwich guy is hopeless.


there is one at ED white hair guy, he is just awful, the way he treats people like.... I mean how do those people even get a job... but then again its Southern, by far the worst train staff i've ever seen, they know nothing and they are never helpful. Its alright, not a lot of people like their jobs but at least we are trying to pretend we like it and we treat others with respect.


What baffled me yesterday when I was in London Bridge, was the lack of information... They had like 2 trains to ED cancelled in a row without saying anything and without mentioning "it might be an hour until the next train is here so go take a tube or something". They make you wait and just cancel on the spot.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was february 24, 04:27pm by geobz.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by JohnL February 24, 04:41PM

Holborn Kingsway was closed yesterday (maybe a tree fell down) but
nobody waiting for the buses along the route was told - and the
message/route LEDs have been removed.

I suppose eventually they checked there apps

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by rahrahrah March 13, 10:58AM

Apparently there is a strike today.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by geobz March 13, 11:44AM

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> Apparently there is a strike today.


8:30 to London bridge was packed, and those god damn stupid trains have nothing to hang on from when standing.

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Posted by JW March 16, 08:47PM

I've just been notified that I will receive £107 compensation for last year's strikes. I have an annual ticket, I applied independently on the Southern site. My ticket was an annual oyster gold card, and so Southern didn't contact me directly to say I was eligible.

I'd recommend doing the same.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Gilloc March 17, 09:32PM

JW Wrote:
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> I've just been notified that I will receive £107
> compensation for last year's strikes. I have an
> annual ticket, I applied independently on the
> Southern site. My ticket was an annual oyster gold
> card, and so Southern didn't contact me directly
> to say I was eligible.
>
> I'd recommend doing the same.

Did that work out as 1 months compensation? Seems a little low

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by JW March 18, 07:39AM

Yep, my annual season last year for zones one and two was £1,284.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Bumpkin March 18, 09:08AM

Unfortunately I bought my annual season ticket at L Bridge so it's Southeastern, anyone know if I'd stand a chance of getting a refund from Southern given I live in ED and mainly use the Southern trains?...

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by JW March 18, 08:35PM

I bought my ticket in London Bridge with zero mention or tapping in at ED and I got a refund. Try.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by geobz March 19, 03:55AM

Bumpkin Wrote:
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> Unfortunately I bought my annual season ticket at
> L Bridge so it's Southeastern, anyone know if I'd
> stand a chance of getting a refund from Southern
> given I live in ED and mainly use the Southern
> trains?...

You'll most likely get it. They don't care about giving away money, given the compensation scheme is Gov's money aka our tax money.

So pretty much Dirty Gov gives a shitty train Company tax money to throw away on compensating us while they keep profiting. Amazing system ye?

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by rahrahrah March 24, 08:05AM

So what is the official timetable now? It appears that the morning trains run roughly 5 an hour in peak times, are irregularly spaced and now take 20 minutes to get to London Bridge. Is this correct? Now that the LB works are largely finished is there any chance of getting back to 6 trains every 10 minutes taking 12 to get to the station? After years of disruption it would be good if we could at least see a service that isn't worse than what we had prior to the rennovations starting. Perhaps even some improvements? Is this crazy talk?

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by cerv March 24, 01:51PM

It's as you say but trains should be running a little under 20 mins. I think it's a stretch to say the LB works are largely finished, they have a way to go still and so only fair to judge once all is complete.

The situation now is generally back to normal. I have not experienced or seen a cancellation in weeks. Being a couple mins late here or there still happens but that's not unusual for peak whatever line your on.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by geobz March 24, 04:34PM

cerv Wrote:
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> It's as you say but trains should be running a
> little under 20 mins. I think it's a stretch to
> say the LB works are largely finished, they have a
> way to go still and so only fair to judge once all
> is complete.
>
> The situation now is generally back to normal. I
> have not experienced or seen a cancellation in
> weeks. Being a couple mins late here or there
> still happens but that's not unusual for peak
> whatever line your on.

You misunderstood what the guy above was saying, but maybe you new to ED.

Prior to LB upgrade trains were more often. E.g there was an 8.00 to LB then an 8.10 8.20 etc. They've cut it down a lot and the service is much less than the one they had originally signed off with the Gov.

The works in LB are close to complication. I don't see anymore works affecting our schedule, no more lines added and the platforms are done.

Instead of returning to the old timetable which had a train every 10 minutes on peak times and then every 15 if I am correct we kept the amended schedule that was in place after the works started.

So in fact we are getting a reduced timeline and trains are slower than what they were before getting into LB.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by Jeremy March 24, 04:44PM

Yep, we're currently on the reduced timetable that was introduced due to works at LB.

I understand that the Thameslink platforms won't reopen until next year.. whether this (and other ongoing construction) has any bearing on our service, I don't know. But I strongly suspect that we're being shafted, and the reduction is permanent.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by ianr March 24, 06:35PM

> and trains are slower than what they were before getting into LB.

It used to be 11 minutes journey time, iirc. Is that eventually going to be restored?

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by rahrahrah March 25, 08:10AM

Jeremy Wrote:
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> Yep, we're currently on the reduced timetable that
> was introduced due to works at LB.
>
> I understand that the Thameslink platforms won't
> reopen until next year.. whether this (and other
> ongoing construction) has any bearing on our
> service, I don't know. But I strongly suspect that
> we're being shafted, and the reduction is
> permanent.

Yeah, that was my worry. Got a terrible feeling that after all the disruption we're going to end up with a permanently reduced service.

messageRe: Trains cancellations - latest
Posted by andyjake June 26, 06:08PM

Southern drivers are stopping overtime from Wednesday. Does this mean we are back to 1 train an hour in peak time? I couldn't work out the timetable.

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