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messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Sephiroth June 04, 08:11PM

25 quid is 25 quid. You are the one who said people couldnít afford it. Stop shifting the goalposts

Whatís a ďfancyĒ topping? Is it fancy if itís in a pizza joint but not fancy if itís in a spoons. You are the person who defines pizza as ďcheese on toastĒ so letís say they are plain pizzas

Is the bill materially different if I eat at 500 degrees or a Louisa-approved joint?

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 08:27PM

Iím not shifting any goal posts. I said wealthy foodies could afford it, and that LL was becoming an exclusive haunt for their ilk. If you think a regular family of four can afford £25 a night for a meal then I seriously think you need to get a new calculator! Also, as I previously explained, Wetherspoons do a variety of different meals, often which include alcoholic/non-alcoholic drinks for a set price. In fact, I think they even sell pizza with a drink!

There is no such thing as a Louisa approved restaurant, as you well know since Le Moulin closed I have struggled to find the same level of warmth and hospitality locally. But thatís just my opinion. Itís not all about me. Itís about a useable high street with variety of choice. More pizza doesnít add to that mix. Wealthy foodies will be salivating, but most of us are sighing into our Pinot.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Sephiroth June 04, 08:29PM

25 quid. A night???

I missed the bit where I said that. But then again, it will serve as a useful example of you shifting the goalposts

I donít deny spoons so decent deals btw. Iím just saying it doesnít work out any cheaper. And few could afford to eat in a spoons every night either

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 08:35PM

But which of your pizza restaurants include a drink? A family on a budget will often struggle to add drinks onto that. Youíll easily be looking at 35/40 quid with drinks. Possibly more. And personally, Iím not sure most people would feel satisfied on a artisan pizza. Iíd probably pop to the kebab shop on the way home.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by pk June 04, 08:37PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> pk Wrote:
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> > pk Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Loutwo Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> > > -----
> > > > Pizzas are awful. Unhealthy, full of fat
> and
> > > bad
> > > > carbs. Basically a dolled up bit of Welsh
> > > > Rarebit.
> > > >
> > > > If this continues, our high street will be
> > the
> > > > exclusive destination for wealthy foodies
> and
> > > no
> > > > one else. Sad news.
> > > >
> > > > Louisa.
> > >
> > > but sweets are more unhealthy, more full of
> bad
> > > carbs, less of a meal, more overpriced (at
> the
> > new
> > > shop)
> > >
> > > plus the new sweet shop is part of a (much)
> > bigger
> > > organisation than 500 degrees
> > >
> > > and there are already many, many more places
> to
> > > buy sweets in the area than there are pizza,
> > > including many independent retailers
> > >
> > >
> > > but somehow you think a new sweet shop is
> > 'lovely'
> > > and a new pizza shop is a terrible disaster
> for
> > > LL
> > >
> > >
> > > is it just that you like sweets more than
> > pizza?
> >
> > Donít I get an answer?
>
> The sweet shop is something unique we donít
> already have. Pizza restaurants are not unique we
> have plenty of them. Iíve explained all this. Stop
> being obtuse.
>
> Louisa.

But thereíre loads of places to buy expensive sweets which are very bad for people already?

Is it unique cos it only sells expensive things that are bad for people and nothing of any real nutritional value (and is part of a hundred strong network)?

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 08:40PM

Iíve already said Iíd be happy with a Poundland or similar. That way we can get sweets and other stuff, all at a knock down price. How about that? Or would that go against your plan to open more pizza restaurants?

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by pk June 04, 08:42PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Iíd probably pop to
> the kebab shop on the way home.
>
> Louisa.


Youíd have loads of places to choose from, but thatís probably not good for diversity so perhaps you should tell some of them to do something else instead?

Or perhaps you should let people get on with earning a living

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 08:45PM

Kebabs are cheap, nutritious, and relatively healthy if you donít order chips. A equal balance of protein, carbohydrate and at least one of your five a day fruit/veg. Compare that to a pizza? You canít. No contest.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Sephiroth June 04, 08:45PM

Ah pk. You and your ďplanĒ to open more pizza restaurants has been busted!!

Louisa no one is making you eat at a restaurant that doesnít fill you up. Iím suggesting that you are in the minority. People like pizza restaurants. Because they are cheap. And filling

If you feel like you need a kebab after, I dunno, go somewhere else. Leave the rest of us alone

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 08:51PM

You wonít catch me wasting my money on a pizza. Not when I can pop to Kebab and Wine and walk away with something considerably more filling and healthier to boot.

Pizza is not cheap and is not filling. Sorry John, thatís my honest opinion. And we have plenty of these places locally and donít need anymore. Not when we are wanting for other retail options as outlined above. Also, as I stated before, how about a decent Morrocan or Mexican eatery? Foodies always pick and choose when it suits. And the rest of us get stuck with more of the same. You could easily fit a wetherspoons on LL somewhere. But god forbid we upset the yummy mummies and pizza eaters.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Sephiroth June 04, 08:53PM

Lou. I say this with kindness. But you are nuts

Have you been on the greeeej?

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by pk June 04, 08:59PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Kebabs are cheap, nutritious, and relatively
> healthy
>
> Louisa.

I thought what was important was diversity not healthiness or price?

And thatís why shops selling no fresh stuff and no nutrious stuff or healthy stuff at all at overinflated prices are good as long as theyre Ďuniqueí

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 09:06PM

What is greeej? I donít mind being called nuts, that doesnít bother me. Some of the most intelligent and thoughtful opinions come from people thinking out of the box.

Pk diversity in retail IS about price. We need a variety of things for everyone. Since about 2007, weíve lost Iceland, Somerfield and more recently 7/11 (thankfully taken on by Superdrug) and others. All replaced by either restaurants or expensive food shops.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by pk June 04, 09:07PM

Sephiroth Wrote:
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> Ah pk. You and your ďplanĒ to open more pizza
> restaurants has been busted!!
>
Díoh

I need a new plan thatíll make her happy

If she thinks shops that sell only sweets are good cos theyíre unique maybe I could do only
soft drinks? I could fly over cans from the US (at the expense of the environment)and charge loads more than local shops charge for UK made drinks

Surely sheíd like that?

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Abe_froeman June 04, 09:08PM

There is nothing less realistic than suggesting that a pound shop chain would consider 1) opening up in the disused jaflong restaurant site and 2) applying for planning permission to change the use from empty restaurant to tiny niche shop.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 09:19PM

I never once suggested the old jaflong site become a pound shop. Not once.

Itís nice to see the place coming back into use after so long vacant, no one questions that. But itís just a shame that yet another of the same thing is opening up when we clearly have that genre saturated.

A Poundland in the site next to Organic Village could work.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by pk June 04, 09:34PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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>
>
> Itís nice to see the place coming back into use
> after so long vacant, no one questions that.
>
>
>
> Louisa.

Is that why or said it was Ďsad newsí in your first post?

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 04, 09:40PM

Donít put words in my mouth. Taking me out of context.

I said it was sad news we have more of the same. A high street for food centric people.

Louisa.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Help-Ma-Boab June 04, 10:07PM

£5.50 for a kebab at Kebab and wine. What's that fir a family of four...

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by pk June 04, 10:22PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> Donít put words in my mouth. Taking me out of
> context.
>
> I said it was sad news we have more of the same. A
> high street for food centric people.
>
> Louisa.

So in context you meant

ĎItís nice to the place coming back into useí

Now I understand

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Penguin68 June 04, 10:40PM

Louisa

The sad fact is that the demographic you represent (or wish to be seen representing), which was a dominant demographic in ED once, is no longer. The sorts of shops and restaurants you say you like, and would like to see, no longer command the support of sufficient numbers locally to be able to operate profitably. Shops and restaurants selling low cost items have to sell very high volumes to pay for local rents and business rates. And maybe we don't have a pound shop because we do have the excellent Farmers. And as for your dislike of pizzas - well that's absolutely fine - no one is ordering you to buy or eat one - but there may be sufficient others who have different tastes to make a success of this new one (or, as I have said above, if it's better than an incumbent, to force an incumbent out).

You wish to roll back time to get back to an ED (as regards its residents) that no longer exists. I understand (sort of) that feeling, but it is a fantasy.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by DK_87 June 05, 01:22PM

I like pizza

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by DulwichFox June 05, 03:35PM

Spoke with one of the workmen painting the outside.

Confirmed it WILL be a sit down approx. 10 seats due to open next week. ?

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by snowy June 05, 03:53PM

DK_87 Wrote:
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> I like pizza

I love lamp.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Lemming June 06, 04:58PM

Never mind the oversupply of pizzas, what about the oversupply of opticians?

Don't get me wrong, I like eyes.. but I only have two of them.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by DulwichFox June 06, 05:03PM

Lemming Wrote:
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> Never mind the oversupply of pizzas, what about
> the oversupply of opticians?
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like eyes.. but I only have
> two of them.

New Opticians ??? Nobody saw that coming.

DulwichFox.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by fishbiscuits June 06, 05:12PM

Loutwo Wrote:
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> No, read back over fishbiscuits previous posts,
> youíll soon get a rough idea of what Iím saying.
> Snobby, self righteous nonsense. Another look at me foodie type.

I called you out for talking rubbish. I don't know where you've been to in Italy... but Naples and Rome are full of pizzerias. Even in the North... Milan, the lakes, the ski resorts. Not just foreign tourists eating there either. Yes Italians eat pizza as a meal, beyond any shadow of a doubt. Admittedly it is considered a fairly basic meal, but it usually is here too.

If you were simply opining in a friendly way, I would have been more polite. But you were deliberately attempting to belittle others, which is just nasty. So I called you up on it. You are talking UTTER BOLLOCKS. And if you want me to apologise you're going to have a @#$%& long wait.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was june 06, 05:12pm by fishbiscuits.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by fishbiscuits June 06, 05:16PM

Then on another thread, you have the absolute cheek to say "ignore the usual suspects", and accuse someone else of being "passive aggressive".

You're a troll. Sod off and ruin another forum.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by NewWave June 06, 05:42PM

At the risk of being controversial I actually agree with Louisa that it would be much better to have a new Moroccan restaurant or Mexican or Tapas....just something other than a Pizza restaurant which our part of South East London seems to be saturated with.
Personally I find Pizza boring I know I may be in the minority but Pizza is to my mind just bread and cheese with assorted toppings.

messageRe: The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place
Posted by Loutwo June 06, 05:43PM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> Then on another thread, you have the absolute
> cheek to say "ignore the usual suspects", and
> accuse someone else of being "passive
> aggressive".
>
> You're a troll. Sod off and ruin another forum.


I have been a member of this forum since 2007. I know many people, some on a personal level. You then have the audacity to call me a troll, after YOU went out of your way to wade in with some nasty comments directed at me for sharing my opinions. I believe we have enough restaurants of the same type within the local radius, that is all. Why you felt the need to wade in with predictable self righteous food snobbery, I donít know. Well, I am not playing up to your poor attempt at goading me. Sorry.

Louisa.

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