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messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by fishbiscuits 17 November, 2019 09:53

We had a very disappointing meal from Ganapati once... rubbery squid... tough, hard-to-check lamb. But every time since it has been good. They change their menu quite often, maybe they just don't quite hit the mark now and again.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by SueJ 17 November, 2019 10:32

Fifty seven on North Cross Road will be having a Veganuary Supper Club

DM me for details

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue 17 November, 2019 19:02

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> We had a very disappointing meal from Ganapati
> once... rubbery squid... tough, hard-to-check
> lamb. But every time since it has been good. They
> change their menu quite often, maybe they just
> don't quite hit the mark now and again.


Yes, hopefully that was the case.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by elloriac 27 November, 2019 16:02

Luca's on North Cross Road also has lots of vegan options, and vegan cake. Yum!

Most places have vegan options now - in addition to the Actress, the Great Exhibition has a lovely Sunday roast, and there are vegan burgers on their reg menu too (IIRC!). Watson's General Telegraph (Forest Hill Road) also has vegan options and vegan Sunday roast. I imagine all the pubs do. Check the Tiger in Camberwell too - fab Sunday roast.

There's lots of takeaway available through the various delivery services. We love the Full Nelson in Deptford, the same people do the kitchen in the Four Quarters, which we have indulged in on Deliveroo...

Mostly though, we cook at home...

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by katanita 27 November, 2019 20:51

ooh, didn't realise Full Nelson was at Four Quarters and Deliveroo! Danger... Is it ALL vegan? Can't tell from the menu.

Meatliquor do a surprisingly incredible vegan hot dog. 2 Girls Cafe by the top of Peckham Rye, also do good hot dogs and a range of other healthier vegan food include vegan cakes.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by SueJ 01 December, 2019 19:55

Hi there

We host the East Dulwich Supper Club at fifty seven, 57 North Cross Road and are having a Veganuary Supper Club.

I have attached the link to menu and tickets

[suzannejames.co.uk]

I hope to meet some new faces

Suzanne

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Beaky February 18, 03:58PM

Peachy Goat has just opened in Herne Hill on Half Moon Lane - a plant based restaurant.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 18, 04:35PM

I'm having doubts about my plant-based diet.

I think it's given me IBS. Which is a bit ironic as I changed my diet for health reasons.

Too many beans, nuts and seeds I think. Plus all the other "How Not To Die" food recommendations, most of which appear to be things not to eat if you have IBS.

sad smiley sad smiley sad smiley

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred February 18, 05:09PM

I had the same issue. Iíve got IBS and auto immune illnesses and as a plant-based diet is heavy in grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and carbs I ended up with a constant swollen stomach as well as another auto immune illness. I find I fare a lot better with fish and the occasional grass fed/free range meat with vegetables and fruits that isnít too taxing on the gut. Your body is your best guide.




Sue Wrote:
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> I'm having doubts about my plant-based diet.
>
> I think it's given me IBS. Which is a bit ironic
> as I changed my diet for health reasons.
>
> Too many beans, nuts and seeds I think. Plus all
> the other "How Not To Die" food recommendations,
> most of which appear to be things not to eat if
> you have IBS.
>
> sad smiley sad smiley sad smiley

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by DulwichFox February 18, 05:37PM

I have been trying to give up meat and animal products. I am Not a big meat eater.

I've been eating lots of veggie curries.

Recently I have been suffering from Vision problems.
I.E. Double Vision on Distant Upright objects. The TV aerials on the roofs of the houses opposite my house.
and watching football. All the players have 4 legs. the goal post uprights are doubled..
Even watching TV. any upright object is doubled.

After Extensive tests at Kings.. it has revealed that I have damage to both my Optic Nerves.
Blood tests have revealed that I have a Serious deficiency in Vitamin B12.

I am now due to start a series of Vit B12 injections.
4 injections a week for next 2 - 3 months.
Problem is Dulwich Medical Cen only have 1 person once a week that can give the injections..


Supplements are of no use as Vit B12 is Not easily absorbed into the body.
Even Doses of 1,000 microgrms do not help.
Only injections are effective and 'Can' hopefully reverse the eye damage if it has not progressed too far.

The Cause of the problem is poor diet and lack of Vit B12 which is only found in Animal products.
Meat, Fish, Eggs, Cheese, Dairy.

There is no Vit B12 in Vegetable plant based diets.

I am at the moment unable to Drive. I cannot see/read road signs. I cannot see Bus numbers
or read Train indicator boards.

Foxy



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was february 18, 05:38pm by DulwichFox.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by d.b February 18, 05:48PM

You're clearly not a marmite lover Foxy... that stuff has B12 packed in it.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by DulwichFox February 18, 05:56PM

d.b Wrote:
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> You're clearly not a marmite lover Foxy... that
> stuff has B12 packed in it.

Like I said. Vit B12 is not easily absorbed from Supplements or indeed food.
Only a Very small percentage of Vit B12 eaten is actually absorbed.

Red meat is the Best food rich in Vit B12. but once deficient only Injections will build up the Vit B12 in the body.
to a safe level.

Foxy

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 18, 05:59PM

Fox, I'm sorry you are ill but it sounds as if your deficiency has been building up for a long time and/or is due to something other than eating more vegetables.

A lot of plant-based foods, eg soya milk, are fortified with B12, precisely because people on a plant-based diet are not going to get it naturally in the foods they are eating.

Anybody on a plant-based diet should be taking B12 supplements. For most people there is no problem with B12 being absorbed into the body by tablets.

This thread is about to get lounged, I fear.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 18, 06:05PM

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> I had the same issue. Iíve got IBS and auto immune
> illnesses and as a plant-based diet is heavy in
> grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and carbs I ended up
> with a constant swollen stomach as well as another
> auto immune illness. I find I fare a lot better
> with fish and the occasional grass fed/free range
> meat with vegetables and fruits that isnít too
> taxing on the gut. Your body is your best guide.
>


Yep, I originally thought my swollen stomach was due to steroids I am on for an auto immune illness, but then after I went more or less completely plant-based it got much much worse.

Anyway, long tedious story and I am sick of the sight of hospitals so I hope this doesn't lead to yet more of them sad smiley

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by NewWave February 18, 08:08PM

Sending wishes for a hospital free recovery from the IBS

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 18, 08:26PM

Thanks, New wave x

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by nxjen February 19, 05:19AM

Sue - sorry to learn about your digestive problems. Truth is, many of us cannot cope with what is described as healthy eating. It seems everybody who suffers from IBS experiences it differently with different triggers, and the old advice of ďeat more fibreĒ can make it worse. Iíve found following a low FODMAP diet has been beneficial and avoiding onions and garlic which are my particular kryptonite. Also, Iím interested in the relationship between stress and IBS: does stress contribute to IBS or does a bout of IBS make it more difficult to handle stress?

[www.ibsdiets.org]

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by yeknomyeknom February 19, 07:25AM

Nutritional yeast is a good source of b12. It can be added to any dish you make as an ingredient to add umami (curry, pasta dishes etc) and also sprinkled as a topping to dishes. I put it on everything and have even been known to eat it on its own. However, it is easy to ďhideĒ tonnes in your cooking if you arenít a fan. Itís low on calories.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 19, 10:02AM

nxjen Wrote:
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Iím interested
> in the relationship between stress and IBS: does
> stress contribute to IBS or does a bout of IBS
> make it more difficult to handle stress?


Yes, it's a vicious circle, it seems.

I have had a very stressful couple of years, during which I got two chronic illnesses, both of which may have been caused by stress and both of which greatly affected my life and stopped me doing things, so then having the illnesses caused additional stress (plus I had some unrelated visits to A and E on top of the hospital visits for the other illnesses).

I moved to a mainly plant based diet very suddenly (gave away a load of food in my cupboard and freezer) as a result of reading the book "How Not To Die" which gives a great deal of scientific evidence about how certain foods lead to illness and other foods help the body to resist illness.

It was all going fine until recently. However I then had two fast tracked hospital appointments for two different potentially serious things, with follow up tests etc, all within a few weeks, and it has been during that stressful time that what may or may not be IBS has got much much worse.

And then the discomfort of the IBS and trying not to eat things which will make it worse, plus wondering if the symptoms could be due to something more serious, causes additional stress.

So I do wonder how much is stress and how much is the diet, however it seems that once your body has succumbed to IBS it will never properly recover. I've only just started reading about it though, and I haven't yet been to the GP to get a diagnosis.

Anyway, I'm adjusting the diet as a first step. I've been doing mindfulness meditation which I've found does help with the stress, but stressful external events are obviously outwith one's control.

My best wishes to everyone else reading this who is coping with stress and illness. I think there are lots of us (and many much worse off than me, I know).



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messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 19, 10:04AM

yeknomyeknom Wrote:
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> Nutritional yeast is a good source of b12. It can
> be added to any dish you make as an ingredient to
> add umami (curry, pasta dishes etc) and also
> sprinkled as a topping to dishes. I put it on
> everything and have even been known to eat it on
> its own. However, it is easy to ďhideĒ tonnes in
> your cooking if you arenít a fan. Itís low on
> calories.


Yes, it's great. I use Engevita. You can get it at Health Matters in Lordship Lane.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred February 19, 11:54AM

The B12 in yeast triggered off my skin disorder so that didnít work for me and the supplements just didnít absorb properly with me so I stopped being vegan despite trying it for over a year.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 19, 01:51PM

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> The B12 in yeast triggered off my skin disorder so
> that didnít work for me and the supplements just
> didnít absorb properly with me so I stopped being
> vegan despite trying it for over a year.


That's weird, isn't it, considering you are only having the B12 to replace what you would otherwise be getting in a non vegan diet?

It seems to be such a complicated subject!

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred February 19, 07:09PM

It a different type of B12 though.


Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The B12 in yeast triggered off my skin disorder
> so
> > that didnít work for me and the supplements
> just
> > didnít absorb properly with me so I stopped
> being
> > vegan despite trying it for over a year.
>
>
> That's weird, isn't it, considering you are only
> having the B12 to replace what you would otherwise
> be getting in a non vegan diet?
>
> It seems to be such a complicated subject!

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by DulwichFox February 19, 07:36PM

I now have my script and will start my Vit B12 injections on Friday.
3 injections per week for 2 weeks then 1 injection every 3 Months.

I was given 10 Ampules of Hydroxocobalamin.

Just hope it works and my sight returns to normal.

Need to maintain a healthy diet with Animal Protein.
Doctor seems to think 2 pints of beer a day is Excessive and I need to cut down or stop drinking.
Not too sure about that.

Foxy

Foxy.



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messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by NewWave February 19, 08:39PM

Stress is a monster thats for sure.
back to the IBS out of interest do you eat much Quinoa?
The reason I ask is I had IBS in my 20's and thankfully seemed to 'grow out of it" if thats possible, but also I learnt the food combinations that triggered it and have avoided them ever since.
However..a couple of years ago I started to get occurrences of IBS symptoms..bloating (really really bad)cramps and a 'dodgy tum' I was mystified until I started to think back over the occurrences and what I'd eaten..this was around the time Quinoa became fashionable and it popped up in loads of salads (I eat a lot of salads)..I did an experiment and sure enough the Quinoa was triggering the IBS symptoms.
Its so bad that a couple of months ago I was eating something that didn't have quinoa as an obvious ingredient and sure enough the symptoms soon started..I went to the place where I'd brought the wrap I'd eaten and asked and sure enough quinoa was mixed in with its filling.
Quinoa seems to be shoved into everything these days and since mentioning my allergy to friends I've found someone else who it effects in the same way.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 19, 08:40PM

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> It a different type of B12 though.
>


Clearly I need to do some more research big grin

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 19, 08:50PM

NewWave Wrote:
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> Stress is a monster thats for sure.
> back to the IBS out of interest do you eat much
> Quinoa?
> The reason I ask is I had IBS in my 20's and
> thankfully seemed to 'grow out of it" if thats
> possible, but also I learnt the food combinations
> that triggered it and have avoided them ever
> since.
> However..a couple of years ago I started to get
> occurrences of IBS symptoms..bloating (really
> really bad)cramps and a 'dodgy tum' I was
> mystified until I started to think back over the
> occurrences and what I'd eaten..this was around
> the time Quinoa became fashionable and it popped
> up in loads of salads (I eat a lot of salads)..I
> did an experiment and sure enough the Quinoa was
> triggering the IBS symptoms.
> Its so bad that a couple of months ago I was
> eating something that didn't have quinoa as an
> obvious ingredient and sure enough the symptoms
> soon started..I went to the place where I'd
> brought the wrap I'd eaten and asked and sure
> enough quinoa was mixed in with its filling.
> Quinoa seems to be shoved into everything these
> days and since mentioning my allergy to friends
> I've found someone else who it effects in the same
> way.


Oh, that's very interesting. I have eaten quite a bit of quinoa lately, but not in the last week.

Unfortunately I can't really pin down when the really bad bloating started. I didn't take all that much notice at first, because I had read that steroids caused you to put on weight around the abdomen question mark

Until I realised that far from the little bulge I had previously, I looked about eight months pregnant big grin And I was really uncomfortable most of the time.

I think I've been eating far too much, and shovelling down beans, seeds and nuts because Dr Greger's book seemed to imply the more of this stuff you ate, the healthier you would be.

I probably now need to do an elimination diet to try and find out the cause. What a pain. I have been writing down everything I've eaten and drunk for a year, but not usually the quantities.

I'll look back and see when I first started the quinoa (I went out and bought it specially, as well!)

But I suspect that different people have different reactions to different things. Though I have read that usually IBS has nothing to do with food allergies?

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Carrie February 19, 08:57PM

Do get a proper diagnosis of IBS before doing an elimination diet, as IBS symptoms mimic symptoms of other conditions. But once you have a diagnosis then the Monash University FODMAP app is great for managing elimination and re-introduction do you can find out your individual trigger foods.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by Sue February 19, 09:23PM

Carrie Wrote:
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> Do get a proper diagnosis of IBS before doing an
> elimination diet, as IBS symptoms mimic symptoms
> of other conditions. But once you have a diagnosis
> then the Monash University FODMAP app is great for
> managing elimination and re-introduction do you
> can find out your individual trigger foods.


Yes, thank you, I will. I realise it could be something more serious.

messageRe: Plant based food locally
Posted by PSJ February 24, 12:21PM

For IBS - can recommend doing The York Test - ~£200 but got to the root of my problem quickly.
I hear lots of good things about Symprove for IBS.

In terms of plant based food locally, Naifs in Peckham is really great food.

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