Word to Sean on this one. I'm not a prude either, but from the start, this thread has been a bit teenaged. It wasn't helped by a couple of male posters seemingly finding it all rather titillating, which I think added fuel to the fire. Particularly lines like "you need a real man, heh heh heh", which frankly make me embarrased to be the same gender! DJKQ seems confused as to whether it is just a bit of fun, or if a serious debate is required. The whole sexual abuse stuff came out of nowhere, and is a total fecking nonsense. And binary_star, insulting Huguenots wife, who has absolutely nothing to do with this, is just out of order. IV and Hugo are both grown ups, she made a jibe at him, he responded, but there was no reason for you to get involved like that.