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That logic doesn't necessarily hold true JL. If you win the champions league you qualify for the ... Err ... World club championship. Or the huh? As everyone else calls it. That said I agree that rubbish as it is it is still slightly above the milk cup, or whatever it's called. Bring back the cup winners cup and make it for cup winners only I say.

Ooh yes, and Simon pegg. It'd be great and then we could at least know where westand ragards spooks' tongue/cheek relationship. Also be very happy with young Anderson. If we're sticking to redheads then perhpas bring back maid Marion from the michael praed era robin hood, she were great she were. Or what about the original Leslie from brush strokes? They could easily outros Ros, without all that weird staring at elfin terrorists mindtrick stuff 'this is not the cause you're looking for'.

Oh frak, he's rumbled us. As it goes I'm sure MI5 have stuff we haven't even dreamed of; scriptwiters however could probably do with a reminder to consider the obvious stuff first ;) ooh my step brother is just starting his career in scriptwriing and he's he most pedantic sod I've met. He should send his CV spook's way. That said, I love spook's for what it is, utterly utterly daft entertainment. Another 8 series please!!!! Any nominations for replacing Jo, other than the return of Zoe obviously. Fearne cotton as a spy, all dressed in pink?

I think people are willing to engage, you really should stop suggesting people aren't. But in fairness most people probably have made up their minds, and as I have been at pains to point out this has probably invoved alot more consideration, whichever side of the fence one alighted upon, than a bit of banter on a forum. Your suggestion for discussion was that a speech therapist friend thought they had found an apparent paradox and that the answer might be the design of a supernatural being. Most people seem to think this unlikely and as use of critical faculties and applied scientific rigour go, it's not really much cop let's face it. Humans have an amazing ability to both create and to learn. Language has evolved over tens of thousands of years, when you consider a mere thousand years seperated French, Spanish, Italian and Romanian, even less for Spanish, Portugese and Catalan, then you can see how quickly it does evolve. That's assuming noone subscribes to a young earth theory of course, from no language at all (or that babelly thing) to today's state of affairs might be a push in 5,000 years.

EMP generator down the lift? There are instructions on wikihow to make one so MI5 must have one kicking about.

Keeeeeeley. Oh yes. Actually I used to have a bit of a thing for Tom's bird in series one, but now she's half of the most irritating advert coiple since Gold Blend I may have to reassess. Finally caught up with this one on Iplayer. The five servers a second was a bit of a red herring, the signal still has to get to those servers form 60ft underground meaning a very snippable solid cable to the local exchange, after all it was a panic room not a nuclear bunker!

They've been filming in the house directly behind mine all week, the house is on The Hamlet, the cul de sac off champion hill. The Bill looks more than likely judging by the grizzled roadie types driving around in police cars with masking tape all over the official markings.

Close, I actually look like the runner bean in a Greek salad....or something weirdly seanmac really does look like a big white owl.

If that's how you feel. I'm not angry at all, no idea where you are getting that from and I certainly don't feel this is simply my platform. Feel free fisk away, I'll be amazed if you could offer me answers I haven't already considered but believe it or not I'm actually quite open minded. I was simply trying to address the idea that noone has been debating for 11 pages or that lack of religion is some default position through no thought or an absence of previous and careful consideration. My previous point was simply stating the obvious that we've been round in circles a number of times and noone is in any danger of persuading anyone else thus far. It was a tongue in cheek post but m not about to supress debate (like I could if I tried) in a debating forum. Please go ahead and engage too.

Come on kids, if you're going to bicker can you at least dispense with the full page quotes!!

Oooh, the Dutch loved their ledges too tsk tsk. The urinal question reminded me of this old flash game. http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/urinal ? Forgive the tedious unskioable ad at the start.

I'd have rolled my eyes and ignored it just as I have matthew. Seriously, people might want to check scholes silverware before calling him crap. Yep he's a little physical and dirty, but we can't scream at divers and soft referees that's it a contact sport then complain about those midfielders who get stuck in. Plus in all these years he's by and large kept his mouth and flies shut and let his football do the talking, a lesson many could learn. I'm sure he's indifferent as to whether we like him, but I for one admire him.

While it's cheap and plentiful and our busy lifestyles continue as they do then, as Huguenot points out, there is no motivation to change out behaviour other than our own consciences. We're trying to do better, our purchasing is more honed to what we use, we make the effort to use our fresh ingredients even when were tired and a pizza in the oven would be the easier thing to do, plus I now cnsistently make stocks after all my roasts and have even started buying trotters and veg and stuff to make lots f stocks for my freezer, best thing I've ever done, makes such a difference to soups and risotto and stews!! But yeah it is pretty appalling isn't it.

" but some are just so quick to dismiss without any real desire to look in it." Just to pick you up on this. Agnostic/atheist isn't the absence of a position or consideration. Ill warrant many have put more thought into it than many who do believe. I, probably typically, was brought up/indoctrinated as a Christian with cubs/scouts, hymns at school, religious lessons, church and Sunday school. But noone from a very young age ever had decent answers to any of my questions. I stopped believing when my older brother announced his apostasy which shocked me greatly, but nothing zapped him, no biblical punishments were met upon him (indeed he's still the luckiest sod I know) and that was all the proof I needed to make the same leap of faith. Then I revisited my decision during some pretty tough times at uni, away from home, grieving for friends who died too young in quick succession, but any thought of gaining succour or strength from religion or faith was immediately quashed by a sense of great hypocrisy I would have felt as I knew intellectually I could never believe. So here I still am, unzapped, happy and content in my beliefs. Try not to insinuate the religious have some monopoly on spirituality, they don't it's just some feel they have it on telling others what it's all about.

Ok, but who's to say the creator didn't blow itself in the garden shed on the first attempt and there has been explosion and implosion since then in a series of universes devoid of the love of their creator, leaving only an uncaring and spiritually empty vastness conforming to the parameters of the original recipe. Bottom line we can't know, and the search for an answer will always be fruitless in a concrete sense; those of us agnostics happy with that state of affairs are practical atheists, we have nothing to gain from acknowledgement or denial, for everything else comes from within us not from the creator. So no, it's not unsatisfying at all, it's actually very liberating. That's not to say that wisdom and inner enlightenment can't be gained in the search for meaning, and many of those who have sought meaning within the bounds of supernatural religions have come up with wise thoughts indeed. But isnt that best as a personal and inner journey. So really we should just lock this and ditch it, because never the twain shall meet.

While I don't actually think anybody for a minute mistakes anything they do here as significant beyond the immediate circle of people who participate, I couldn't for a second blame anyone who thinks we sound like we do; we are a pompous bunch of tosspots I must say. Marmora man a thoroughly decent chap though. I think he felt the levels of debate had been descending for quite some time and either the drawing room was too little too late or was just the same pompous nonsense wrapped up in a thin veneer of intellectuality. But do come back!

Ha ha, my life might not be worth living if I tried that one!!! Was it a good name though?

In reality that's what's happening. Cillian and Fiacra (sp) have not only been chucked out of the window, but buried deep in the compost heap at the back, leaving me with a bunch of equally unspellable options the poor mite will be stuck spellin out for people the rest of it's life as if a spic surname with funny letters wasnt hassle enough for the poor little mite!!

Ouch, off to the naughty step the pair of you!!

The slightly worying talk of open lichen and gastro fare on he right will be counterbalanced if the left remains pub through and through and also the welcome talk of a roof terrace beer garden.

Thing is the EDT can't quite make up it's mind what it is does. From food bad, to food good to food nonexistent, to nowt but barsnscks, to food up but not down, to food down but not up and rinse and repeat. So people don't really know where thy stand. Recently it's been posh food upstairs wih bar snacks downstairs if the mood takes them. If they're doing Sunday roasts again the. Great but that's news to me and I'm a regular. Hardly surprising if it's dropped of everyone elses list of Sunday lunch destinations.

From the ever marvellous Half Man Half Biscuit on this topic "...a woman who described herself as "a little bit Bridget, a little bit Ally, a little bit Sex In The City" and chose to call her baby boy Fred as a childishly rebellious attempt at a clever reaction to those who might have expected her to call him Julian or Rupert. Bit of advice: call him Rupert. It fits, and besides, its a good name. Don't be calling him Fred or Archie with all its cheeky-but-loveable working-class scamp connotations unless you really do have plans for him to spend his life in William Hill waiting for them to weigh in at Newton Abbott." I have these dilemmas looming large. Current short list includes Ichabod and Croydon.

Very good quids. If I could be bothered to track down the things that made me laugh thread...

As refreshing as it is for anyone to be honest about anything in these days of dissimukation and spin, Zaki's comments are genuinely appalling. A book throwing (ie a minute's wages) will doubtless proceed.

I have that on my iPhone so get to watch it in fits and starts, but thus far very very good indeed. Watched the Star Trek movie On Saturday which I enjoyed a great deal. It put the fun and adventure back into a franchise which lost all semblance of humour and enjoyment a very very long time ago. Well worth a watch for action fans even if scifi isn't really your thing. Also watched Blood: The First Vampire, a live action remake of a manga short film. It was good if you like ninjas and vampires basically. Not much else to it, though perhpas watching it just to see Gavins dad/archie as an American general, which was a bit odd. Edited for usual iPhone dyslexia issues and also before anyone says, yeah, manga anime blah blah blah yeah i know already.