mockney piers

Dour new englanders is common in the states. Anywhere with a Puritan tradition basically. As sean says it comes with the spiritual territory, like Catholics and guilt, though I imagine of I say a guilty Irishman I've entered a whole different semantic minefield!!!

Yep, weirdly the prices of houses are dropping because the cost of houses is rising, put very simply. Generally prices rises have been fuelled by among other things demand outstripping supply. This is much more down to societal change (people staying single much longer and able to afford to buy on their own thanks to cheap credit) than anything to do with immigration which I inferred from your second point, but perhaps you were referring exactly to my point above. The only way to relive that pressure is to build more houses. We have plenty of space to do this, it's just nobody wants anew town on their doorstep, which having grown up by Stevenage I can't say as I blame them. The Lee valley is often molted which is a great plan for billions of pounds worth of flood damage, but hey.

I thought the impossibly sensitive was just referring to quids ad absurdo extension of the argument such that Essex types are being racistly slandered.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Of course casual racism is so much a traditional > part of English culture that restricting it is > being culturally intensive and therefore racist in > itself. You semi jest but it's true isn't it. Canoeing down the Wye this summer we oiled up at a tiny campsite ten miles out of Hereford and were met by a jolly farmer who greeted us warmly and on seeing my friend Kofe exclaimed "my, you've suntan on you". Our jaws dropped but Kofe took it in good humour, there was no ill intent on he part of the farmer, just ignorance really. Mind you Kofe is a good natured chap, he still thinks he was nicknamed Benson in the army because he smoked B&H, bless him. Edited to say oiled up, oiled up?!?! What's my iPhone doing to me. Obviously that was meant to be pulled up!!!

Mind you I was at a wedding in Lossiemouth last weekend, and if that weather was typical then I'd be pretty damn dour I can tell you!!

Obviously a word is just a bunch of vowels and consonants, so it boils down to meaning and context. I guess in the states it's unknown, hence the fuss about the Pac Man cartoon made there when first aired here, as the eponymous hero was called Paccy by his friends and it was soon withdrawn form Saturday morning TV. In Pakistan it would appear that ifs no different to us calling ourselves Brots, as. Have often seen signs saying "go pakis" held aloft at cricket matches in that part of the subcontinent. Here it undoubtedly has a pejorative meaning attached to it and im inclined to think it always has since it slipped into general usage as a reaction to mass immigration. Just because casual racism was the norm forty years ago, doesn't mean it was ever right. Dour scot is a rather lazy generalisation, though like many based in more than a grain of truth with the presbytarian tradition having deeply embedded roots in Scotland. I think with these labels you have to ask os it useful, and I'd say no it's not so would avoid it. Is it offensive? Perhaps, and if Mick hand on heart says he finds it so then that's good enough for me to avoid it's usage which I think is best avoided anyway because or just masking a lazy generalisation.

No fair enough. I think I just snapped really. There was a particularly nasty one from Wolf that got reported and quickly removed. I wont go into detail but lets just say it was very very far removed poking fun at celebrity. I'm all for bringing pointless celebrity down a peg or two, but it sort of achieved a critical mass of genuine bile. Anyway, apologies again, I'm much better now that I've a cosy sofa to sit on and a hot chinese (food people, food!! Dirty Old Man!) on the way.

Sorry old chap, consider it the straw that broke that camel's back. Anyway I wouldnt worry, noone actually ever listens to me, so like i say, as you were... ;-P

Sorry Jah, I just needed cheering up, that song usually does it for me. These are much less twee, but probably more up Brendan's street thinking about it. They're also kind of of an ilk. Condofucks* Japandroids Tokyo Police Club *Yo La Tengo as a covers band.

The transporter films are definitely filed under guilty pleasure!

If we turn the question on it's head can I nominate Gillian Anderson please? Only a playful slap obviously.

Well at least you managed to raise a smile on my worn features atila :)

I know everybody's just avvin' a laarf and everything, and please forgive me if I seem to be lacking a sense of humour today, but what a horrible, mean spirited, jealous and venal little thread. Poking fun at celebrity(ies) is one thing but this thread just seems to be revealing an unsettling quotient of nastiness. Come on people, the weather's bad enough can people at least try and behave in a less dispiriting manner than this. Lecture over, as you were....

Blimey, page 13. Anyway winding down from too much Pixies and Breeders I listened to this from Mojave 3 Breaking The Ice just lovely dodgy beard though.

May wander down from my boozy lunch with the micksus in tow.

I hav to say that the similarities with Yo La Tengo were uncanny. I'll never understand why they're barely kmown whilst the Pixies are 'overated'. The vagaries of the modern world huh?

I have to say it did really make me appreciate just how influential they were. Truly groundreaking and original. Not many bands genuinely deserve that praise. The pixies, no matter how much it chagrin this may cause one, were special.

If I'm going to be frank (baddamtish tish) I'm talking about me not them. It was cool. Anyway, this monkey's going to work now.

That said it was fucking brilliant by the way.

It was good. Five star though? No. Keef will not be converted tonight but he will enjoy it. I found it an eeency bit lacklustre. They played the songs well, they played great songs. I spent quite a while in an odd whirl of memories of 1989, even bumping into one or two of the old crowd, which was odd to say the least. I don't know what as missing but it was noones fault. They're old, kim deal has turned into your favourite aunt with a dash of Carrie Fisher and Valerie Singleton thrown in. Frank is, well cuddly. The other guys are cool on the way that only drummers from the rolling stones or half man half biscuit can attain. I just felt old in there. Old. So.....tired. Mind you hendricks martinis til one in the morning didn't help.

You wouldn't be the first to discover HAL that some seemingly innocuous banter can come across badly though wholly unintended. Okey dome people, glam or no I'm sure both occasions will he lovely. I've never seen any trouble or issues at previous drinks. I have heard that someone had a bad time on e but given subsequent events I'll take that with a measure of salt. See you all there you happy people.

Hurrah. Warm carling coming my way!!!!

Ooh. Looks like I may be going tonight if colleagu'es wife scuppers his plans.

Blimey nicest thing Keef has ever said about the pixies. I'd say go, sod it at best it'll be a great blast from the past, at worst it'll be no worse than you feared it might. Plus you get to have a beer with Brendan, just don't let him steer you towardsthe strong cider, down that path danger lies.

Whereas of course in real life, missus mockney would have simply kicked him in the nuts and then lectured him to get a proper job. Plus sean's phone is better than mine, well it was until he discovered iPhones are made from wet soap.