mockney piers

Congrats to Man U, as someone said best team did it. I actually think that had Guus turned up earlier it would have been theirs, but then couldve wouldve shmouldve, well done!! And well done the *mighty* hammers too, thought we'd be embroiled in a relegation battle right now, so huzzah. Be nice to beat Tottenham though I can't see that happening, level pegging on points I reckon though.

Ha ha, so true. Though I'm ashamed to say that National TReasure and the Rock are guilty pleasures of mine. Cpt C's Mandolin his lowest moment.

Oh and Bosnian War Unfinest Hour is a must read, it'll put the tories up there with the UN for you, though from what I've been able to discern of you so far, a phrase involving grandmothers and eggs springs to mind.

Was going to fisk the list myself, but good job well done. By and large agree on virtually all other points though 'not our finest hour' is underplaying that one a tad and the Mau Mau suppression also needs the word shame or stain attached to it. On Korea I think that theory does the Truman administration too much credit. I think the cold war resulted from a lack of imagination rather than cunning plan, but there you go. Would also dispute no fly zones. We didn't help vulnerable refugees from iraqi gunships while they were suppressing a revolt we encouraged to divert troops and attention from Kuwait, then left to die in their hundreds of thousands. It was also a means to remind Saddam of his place in the order of things while we condemned hundreds more thousands to die from lack of medical supplies that Albright famously said was 'worth it'; signing up to that policy (not ours by creation admittedly) again not our finest hour ;)

Loved eraserhead, Mullholland Drive another classic. Twin Peaks great too. If you like the first one this will make you chuckle

I'm quite shy. No really!!!

The achievement 'bing'

A no rosette situation for mr mockney. If ever a sentence was in dire need of an exclamation mark it's the one above...and perhaps this one, at least up until I spoilt it with the addendum.... I'll get my coat... !!!!!!

Oh come on. All my police friends skin up off their own backs (tricky skill but possible). If they were asked to perform a hit to stay in cover I doubt that would happen. You're missing my point that these obviously weren't under cover but simply there to agitate.....crime!!!

Ok fair enough. A very quick swizz down the list and it's still under fifty percent though.

The opium wars caused moral outrage back home at the time and are so far from "just" it's laughable. I'd go along with brendan in saying that barely any bar ww2 were just. Colonial suppression through violence is pretty execrable full stop and that's not a modern view point but a post enlightenment one, a period more than encompassing your arbitrary two centuries. That said I thought santermes post thoughtful and enlightening even if I'm not in total agreement with all points.

Well if that was the case I'm guessing that flashing their id to get through police lines may have blown their cover. This was just pure incitement to violence which is a crime. Heads will roll for this as the agrieved MP has a fair old bit of clout as he's on the home affairs select committee

Of course there were, you think they all suddenly miraculously just managed useful dialogue the second she left? It wasn't minister level of course, but it was sanctioned from on high. The difference between pragmatism and rhetoric, soundbites for the Daily Mail do not a coherent government policy make, though I sometimes wonder these days....

I honestly have no idea how influential the effects of that crash may have been in the end game, but seeing as that was '94 and negotiations started in the 70s I'm thinking it was unlikely to be a causal factor in bringing anyone to the table.

Always hated it, even when it's been fairly good. Good pills, they were something else altogether, again more likely to be strychnine and ketamine these days...

I've already got her as speaker of the house in our other EDF gov't thread, hands off!!

Brilliant. Does 'Deborah' Gibson think she's fighting them alone now?

Well said that man. As it goes I used to go down the old Victoria ground, and it was never pretty, but I've a soft spot for the place (well, the town/team seeing as there's nothing of it left).

So easy to judge from so high, with your glamour clubs and your millions and your champions leagues. Try supporting a real* club for a while and see how you feel about a little success ;) *Not Real obviously though.

Because corruption and abuse is one thing, AP is policy. When I was growing up I had a sort of mentor type figure who was an ALF activist; hero-worship him as I did at the time, on reflection i'm frankly glad they're infiltrated, nutters the lot of them ;-P Pretty well known that the IRA was made up of a surprisingly large degree of informants, the army council knew they were utterly compromised, one of the reasons why they came to the negotiating table, but to my knowledge* MI5 agents didn't actually blow up any soldiers or shoot any policemen. *and we may have to wait another 40 odd years to find out

I blew my nose using mine.

You don't see the difference between hanging around a meeting of radicals to find out what they're planning, and knots of plain clothes police throwing bottles at uniformed officers? Weird.

Antijen. I'm pretty sure there's a qualitative difference between infiltration for the purposes of intelligence and the agent provocateur actions described above. You'd absolutely expect the former, but the latter surprises me, least of all because it's so counter productive unless to justify some sort of danger money levy to the days policing or somesuch. Yes Smg, conspicuous by absence. My guess is s/he infiltrated back out the forum lines once the conversation took this turn before it was too late.

I think you're allndoing the lower teams a disservice. The likes of Bolton maybe should ahve more ambition but I don't see what's wrong with Stoke playing foe survival. It's just being realistic. Thyve had torrid experiences in the top fligt before and I think survival has been a huge aculhievement for them. As for an arsenal fan complaining about negative football obviously being spoilt with wenger rocher has affected long term memory ;) *please forgve iPhone-thumb spelling*

I had her pwncilled in for queen, but point taken. How's about ecowarrior leagle eaglish as environment secretary? Ooh ooh, Moos speaker of the house!!