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Or we could stand more solidly by the democratic process and treat the violence as criminal acts, to be dealt with by the police rather than consider it a war against terror, I wish there was somewhere in the world that would react like that...oh wait.

Oh dear, now bombs being smuggled in from across the border. Luckily the effective roadmap to peace has already been drawn elsewhere and we can learn from the successful policies of others facing the same need to defend themselves. Firstly we build a big wall along the border, excising any nasty terrorist hotbeds like South Armagh, and hemming in those bits we don't like, Bogside, Craigavon etc (making sure to cut them off from their farmland, water etc). While we're at it we'll build more walls in the really pretty bits like Dingle and build nice little communities there, making sure we've enough police and army around to make life intolerable for the locals, so we don't get pestered or have to feel guilty about it. Next complete withdrawal from the aforementioned hotbeds apart from the bits we've built communities on, aren't we magnanimous, see, we've given them more land (apart from those bits we took), let's hope they're mature and responsible enough to do the right thing with it, not waste the opportunity. We get Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail on the recognised terrorist organisations list, they are either tacitly supporting these people or not doing enough to stop them. And you can't talk to these people, look they just want violence, they're not interested in negotiation. Next blockade this newly enlarged entity, shoot any planes attempting to land at Dublin airport, mine Rossalaire Harbour and bomb Knock runway. Only allow limited UN supplies through, though not antibiotics, you can make anthrax with that you know. Any houses we hear of that might have a bomb factory in we drop a 1000lb bomb on, if civilians die it's because these cowards hide out amongst the population in order that we bomb them for propoganda coups, it's not our fault people die, we have the right to defend ourselves. If as much as one soldier or policemen is killed or kidnapped we will level the infrastructure and manufacturing capability of the south (except maybe the Alienware factory in Athlone as I rather like their computers). If it happens again we send in the tanks and just start shelling the hotbeds (Cork springs to mind), but don't worry we'll drop some leaflets saying that if you're not a terrorist we suggest you go as we're about to shell the *flipping heck* out of your neighbourhood using illegal white phosphorus shells and cluster bombs. Rinse and repeat, they'll get the message eventually and then peace will reign supreme. Though no point lifting the blockade, as you can't be too careful. Sorted.

My GCSE science project involved scaring my pet gerbil to see if it could learn conditioned behaviour. Mwah ha hah. My dad hated it and I was forced to give it up to a friend. It escaped his cage and got sucked into a hoover by his mum. RIP Gerby.

very little true loyalty in the modern game. Potts was the last true hammer, and we can't seem to hold onto our academy products sadly, else we'd be far and away the best team in the premiership. In a moment of WATN: "In August 2007 Steve completed The Knowledge and qualified to drive a Hackney carriage." ?

Brendan, I've a feeling your experiment would be forcing siblings to procreate and things would be a little doomed in no short time, just look at those german emigr? utopian experiments in Argentina. And it all sounds like pushing the morality envelope of science (especially the conquering another life supporting planet) Of course, there were special dispensations for the scions of Adam and Eve, both genetically and morally speaking. In fact has anyone mapped the mud genome?

Mind you, with things like radiation and powerful chemicals that can alter your DNA sequences, I guess it can be post conception now. In fact do these hiccups occur in the womb post conception? Ask a scientist Mark. I watched X-Men last night, so I know everything...

Your evolutionary cards are dealt at conception as your DNA maps out the mutations that may, or may not contribute to enhanced chances of survival. Indeed all survived Huguenot, but some may have had a genetic propensity to survive the black death, and procreated with someone else who did thus helping ensure that unbroken line, so we can't be sure that no evolutionary processes happened. In fact aren't we* all the result of an unbroken chain of successful procreation of at least 50 generations? *apart from those of us made from mud or ribs of course.

"they do not impact on the everyday existence of the Spanish in say Madrid, Barcelona or any other major Spanish City" Clearly you haven't been there of a weekend seeing the roaming gangs of stags and hens being a national embarrassment as they demonstrate the wonderful characteristics of our national culture, uncontrolled drunkenness, aggression, the sorts of things you'll see in most town centres across the country. That said I've lived in Madrid and will usually meet ex-pats of a night out who have completely embraced the way of life. The same can't be said for the majority of those who have colonised swathes of the costas. They want nothing to do with the culture, food, people and can't even be arsed to learn the language. I've often said that Brits are both the best and worst travellers in the world.

I worked for 5 years with a member of Opus Dei, though he never met Ruth Kelly.

*sigh* ... but to address the points raised 1 out of 5 ain't bad, I did have "the benefit of a decent English [comprehensive] education" after I moved here (though Spain's education system has totally leapfrogged it since we left Franco's Spain). That's not everything though is it, everyone still has to carve out their own life and some of my contemporaries have done well, most are fine and happy, some did not so well, some particularly badly and some are dead, one of them found on a park bench post heroin overdose, blue as the sky that morning. So not only are you judgemental, you're rubbish at it. My "twonk" was merely expressing annoyance that a pretty good debate was being had, then you appeared in the middle of an argument no-one else was having, with some nice simplistic juxtaposing of ludicrous policies noone has proposed, a willingness to vote lib-dem, and a hippy hymn. Yep, constructive stuff. I don't know you from Adam (and won't making a dreadful hash of being judgemental). You've probably got a good analytical mind there, some of your posts have certainly hinted at it in the past (though lord knows it's sometimes hard to see past the chips on your shoulder), but I don't think anyone will be gleaning any of that from your posts above and you won't win any brownie points from me (as if you want them) with such trite, pointless, tish and pish. And judging by your apparent contempt of the shires, I'd say I'm not the one who hates England. Regardless I extend the hand of friendship if you'll unclench...oh no, I'm plagiarising again aren't I.

spot on keef, I can't believe I've been outed, yes I hate England for betraying the great social revolution of the thirties and selling us out to the fascists; appeasing bastards!! I will bring you down one day.....I hate you....I hate you all!!!

twonk

You're a bright sort. ANy chance of knocking up a teleport thingy. 97% of the arguments on here would be rendered moot almost immediately if you could

Try driving through New Cross on a saturday lunch time; palarver++ In short, always a pain. There is a shimmy route that can do it 20 minutes (give or take, well, take) even with bad traffic though.

Pictures is another thing altogether. And I'm not being flippant but it's the most commonly asked question in the About this Forum section. Have a look over there for many a good explanation of how it's done, but it mainly involves that little picture of hills and a sun next to the italic button.

Surely the Italians all get to their embassy in chic vespas, wearing those open faced helmets, manbags flapping in the breeze, which are congestion charge free (despite much evidence that they* produce up to 4 times the emissions of your average family hatchback) *Mopeds, not manbags.

Train: PR -> LB 10 mins LB -> GW 10 mins How's that a palarver?

It may have been before my time, but I do take interest in political history. I was talking more morally Jah, and there were some decent men amongst them (Whitelaw, Pym etc). Plus 3 day working week was thanks to arrogant unions taking advantage of the Oil crisis to try to bring the government to its knees. It's because the old school tories weren't ruthless enough that nothing got solved, and the subsequent Labour government didn't have the political capital to do anything about it, Fasutian pacts eh? Neither of us were fans of the Thatch, but you have to admit that something needed to be done.

err, go to the address bar of your browser, press copy, go to your post, press paste. Am I missing something about the question?

Very true D_C :) Mind you this "Even this shagsack of Tories can't be more damaging to this country than Nu Labour have been." is admittedly wishful thinking on my part, I'm not doing a particularly good job of convincing myself. Hands up who thinks that if (let's be honest, when) the Tories get in, they'll repeal all that oppressive curtailment of freedom legislation with strokes of their pen in an Obama style? Anyone, anyone....Bueller?

Sorry D_C I thought it was obvious. Lib Dem for me. Perhaps because their numbers are smaller but the proportion of their folk who seem to know what they're talking about is massively higher than anyone else. They also seem prepared to listen rather than use the word 'debate' to distract people's attention from the fact that they're ignoring them. Labour must, must, must go. Even this shagsack of Tories can't be more damaging to this country than Nu Labour have been. Can anyone think of any genuine statesmen at the moment? I'm genuinely embarrassed every time I see D. Milliband on the news.

The pre thatcher Tories weren't so bad, decent fellows and not a few statesmen about it. Even under Thatch there were a few capable bods about, though it seems to have been a trend across the political spectrum that their numbers are thinning. Nu Labour are range from pathetically mediocre through wholly incompetent to the banality of evil. They want power for its own sake. This current crop of Tories strike me that they don't want power for its own sake, they simply can't understand why they haven't got it yet, as if it's somehow the natural order of things that they should have it. I don't know if which is more dangerous, but neither seem to understand what public service or social contract actually means, indeed Nu Labour specifically tried to redefine it, that it's a contract we make with the government in order to merit their patronage...if that isn't dangerous and reason enough to get rid of them I don't know what is. I leave aside their corruption, white elephants, trident, 12 billion NHS IT with no strategy, 'choice' in public sector, league tables, unhappiest children in the western world, iraq, curtailment of freedom, Al Yamamah, torture, iraq, lies, deceit, inability to be held for account, disingenuity....

Mi a bit dyslexic too

Had you down more as a

You can right click on most images on t'interwen, click save as... (PCs i guess, bound to be a mac way too) Then upload your saved image to forum as an attachment to your post. Post some text. Go back to your post, click on the attached file, it will show you your image, save the url, edit your original post and shove that url in the insert image malarkey. Bob's yer uncle.