I agree that 86 was winnable, 90 we should have, and 96 we really hit our stride, a joy to watch until those dreaded penalties. Barring that then yes, pretty awful and Ericsson's tenure was an utter waste of potentially talented teams. Having watch Spain frustrate me just as much over the years there's nothing to say things can't change, but last night was definitely a good lesson to show how much we need to progress over the next 18 months or so. There's a very good review of the game here: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/campeon/freno/elpepudep/20090212elpepudep_1/Tes Which basically says Xavi is the heartbeat of the team, that though England were poor, without Rooney and Gerrard it was a C team *coughs*. And that despite Capello England haven't evolved at the same rate as it's clubs, that we were England of old and nothing to be afraid of, especially when we didn't play to the strengths of the towering forwards in the second half. There was also a bit of criticism of Torres as they marvelled at Spain's patience, saying he's been infected by the pace of the Premiership and was snatching at chances that the other players had the maturity not to waste.