mockney piers

I've seen much absurdity and indignance on this thread, but there has been genuine debate and uncertainly haven't seen acres of wikipedia C&P jobs. Do you actually live your day to day life in this acerbic and condescending manner snuncamunca or do you reserve it just for us?

Sounds very dbiius to me. Probably a pound a text going to someone who has nothing to do with the McKinnons.

Pope, I am being genuine. I measure satisfaction by how often I get into the type of mood where I would gladly chop people into small pieces if I didnt get to a gin and tonic in time. Living on the northern line (balham, east finchley and balham in that order) that was a regular occurence, especially as any problem meant buses were impossible to get onto and a walk would result in a two hour grumble fest. Here I have so many other options, and to be honest being more than half an hour late home (without Brendan, D_C or FnB and ludicrously strong cider being responsible) is genuinely once in a blue moon and was actually no times at all even during the worst of the weather, that the urge to kill basically never comes. With that in mind I honestly can't complain.

Really, have you mentioned it before? ;-)

Blimey, out to make friends aren't we Tony. I think sean is simply trying to point out two things: 1) noone granted admin power. He set up a site and runs it at his own expense. Whether people visit is up to them. Noone dictates what is and isn't of interest to residents of the area, he has no monopoly on that. He does however have a published set of rules by which the site is run, hopefully to the benefit of the vast majority. Which leads nicely to 2) no censorship at all on Internet fora tends to lead to very very poor user experiences. Such a site may have more traffic but I doubt it would steal much traffic from this site for the very reasons you complained about, ie this stays relevant to the area, an anything goes site almost certainly wouldn't. No need to get uptight man, he was merely making an observation.

I hate to be all non-negative nancy or is that positive pete or something, anyway I digress. Err, where was I again? Oh yeah commuting. I know we all love to complain, bu if I'm going to be honest, having commuted five years from ED station and now five from Denmark hill I actually think it's ok. I always get a seat and if I miss one there'll be another and if snow affects things I check the website and get there early and if things are going wrong I can jump on a bus and worst comes to the worst I can bloody well walk to work in 45 minutes. So forgive me if I don't sign but things really aren't all that bad. How about channelling all that angst and energy and joining brum in looking out for the crumblies in the area who really do seem to be having a bad time of it? Just my halfpenny's worth.

Peckhamboy has it. May affect ED but is not specific to. A bit like whingeing about HIPs in the main room and saying it affects residents of ED, well yes it does but also residents of inverness etc. Don't worry, the lounge gets plenty of traffic, lounging is not a punishment.

Was it Simon (forget his postin name) who described bubbs and his mate as the C3P0 and R2D2 of the wire. I always loved that!!

Ok just had a quick swizz. It's mostly to do with reinforcing in writing the feudal rights & responsibiliies against encroachmet from the crown. Lots of stuff to do with land, inheritance and tax and debt. Then a bunch about fines being proportoonate to level of crime and ability to pay. Then one of those odd ones 'no town or person should be forced to build bridges unless there s an ancient obligation to do so'. Then stuff stopping officials from abusing power (confiscation of goods unfairly etc). More medieval duties then something about getting rid of fish weirs Then the nub: A man cannot be brought to trial without credible witnesses (habeus corpus). No punishment without lawful judgement (rule of law) Then lots more weird bits about forests and sme very specific names to be sacked, that Guy de Cigogn?, always rubbing barons up the wrong way. Then there is a while section about judgement of equals (25 men) but this is quite specific to land disputes as a result of the rebellion. Finally some stuff about everybody freeing hostages taken during the dispute. and that's it. So no, nothing about juries. And the only mentions not relevant specifically to the nobility or church are that proportionate punishment shouldn't include taking a farmers farm tools and the slightly surreal: "no one shall be arrested or imprisoned on the appeal of a woman for the death of any person except the husband". I'm sure they had their reasons?!

Not sure Santerme, I always associated Magna Carta with habeus corpus (and something to do with the price of bread), will check it out for you.

I don't know the INS and outs but I think it's more or less the same principle as green/blue but uses polarisation instead of colour. Look at yourself in the mirror if you still hav the glasses ......craaazzzy!!

In principle it feels a bit dodge, but t is the first time it's been used and this is the fourth retrial and there are strong fears of jury tampering. As long as there are sufficient checks and balances and it is used as a last report it doesn't sound unreasonable to me. Btw has anyone read magna carta, apart from being a bit of a weird document, it really wasn't intended to benefit the likes of you and me, just the big nobs (so to speak). It certainly shouldn't be held as some sort of paragon of human rights believe me!!

I've a feeling that's a meme bob. I'm pretty sure I saw the same thing about another film. I'll hunt around.

Was it quite repetitive work quids? Old habits die hard clearly ;-)

Oops sorry brum. That was kind of tongue in cheek. That was the slogan above the hideous cathedral outside of Madrid built by the defeated soldiers and political prisoners of the civil war as effectively slave labour. It's the Spanish equivalent of 'work sets you free'. Probably in poor taste, sorry. Nothing too terrible, but working in an Classic MG spare parts supplier in Baldock, having the owner teaching me the finer points of sweepeing floors when I had a degree was certainly a lesson in humility, just get the job done and think of the deposit on a flat in London!!

El trabajo enoblece sn... err huncamunca.

I had a bit of a chat with him down the CPT once. He's actually a nice enough bloke, we talked about his trip to Israel and Palestine and the thoughtful docementary he made. His column however is rubbish and yes I think he does do it on purpose. Mind you I can't stand Julie Burchill's writing either, but I have a feeling she'd be a terrible erstwhile drinking companion down the pub.

Oh I don't know Santerme. If Saudi Arabia stops toeing the line and threatening our access to all that lovely oil we can always invade it, install a puppet government and grant ourselves that right.

Well said santerme. Magpie, yea it is distasteful and it does stock in the craw that someone draws benefits from a government they wan to overthrow paid by a people they consider infidels. But they are citizens and are entitled to it. The moment we start taking away rights just because we don't like people (the twisted definition of social contract that Tony Blair described) we become something else, something worse. This isn't fluffy political correctness it's the acknowledgemet that freedom is a hard but necessary thing to maintain. So we put up with the idiots like choudray as long as what they sy doesn't cross the line of criminality (that's for a court, not a politician to decide) and students will wander in and get dissilussioned and leave as many have before. Students like extreme radical ideas and like to think they have the answers and old people/the powers that be don't get it. This isn't exclusive to radical Islam let's face it. The best thing to do is starve them of the oxygen of publicity, the worst possible thing we could have done is exactly this.

Mathew, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course our society hasn't total freedom, it should also have civic responsibilty alongside the great freedoms that we do have. We have a huge list of people, organisations and events that have defined the hard won freedoms we do have to the point where we are free men in free country. It's taken as read governments have extraordinary powers for special circumstances such as war or civil emergency. This government has enshrined many of those special powers in statute for everyday use and these have been abused, just look at the journalists who have taken it to he courts and exposed that abuse. Groups 'taking the piss' doesn't sound like a crime to me, it sounds like an expression of that freedom they enjoy, and if they're too stupid to spot the irony then that just means we get to laugh at them. I find in your words the casual apathetic acceptance I've heard in many a Francoist Ive talked to in Spain. Freedoms must alwas be upheld against the slightest infractions lest we walk down a very slippery slope. Freedoms are always easier to lose thanto gain and even those who claim they will roll back legislation are slow or reluctant to do ao, look at dear Obama for starters. So I'm happy for idiots to protest for Sharia law here, and to demand beheadings for insults to Islam, partly because it's obviously never ging to happen here, partly because it allows their target audience to be aware of their stupidity, but mainly because it shouldn't be a crime to do so. This ian shouting fire in a theatre, it's shouting loudly 'your mom' annoying, and if it winds enough people up potentially trouble (for which there are laws in place), but not a crime just because it's annoying or potentially upsetting. As I said there will now be a greater groundswell of sympathy for them among Muslims in this country, and there will be quote justifiable accusations of hypocrisy. But of course they are not the target electorate are they, the labour vote is largely safe there, it's, well, it's you mate!!

Oh, and Santerme, I feel your iPhone pain!!!

"The and his cronies are despicable little rodents ... sad and ridiculous" Exactly, a small band of self important little shits. A demagogue and his gullible idiot. They're not dangerous themselves, like allowing Griffin to talk his real agenda he exposes himself. The more these people are vocal the more it is obvious how ridiculous they are. Banning them lends them legitimacy ironically, it allows them to feel right and righteous in their voice and their cause. The idea of banning benefits for those who do not agree with some basic tenets of citizenship is seductive but down that route madness lies. I'm with quids, ban the march on grounds of disorder and use existing powers to arrest if proof of incitement to violence is caught, treat them as criminals, not as political matyrs.

Improve what situation SteveT? I have to say this announcement made me feel very uneasy for two reasons. One, we're a free society (well we used to be) Two, it's suppressing debate and dialogue. It forces the discontented even further underground making them harder to keep an eye on, and to many moderates or undecided it probably helps legitimise extremism to a certain extent. Just because we (there i go with the royal again) don't like someone doesn't mean we can ban them.

I don't know about not deserving it, as you say some people just got lucky and ain't that just sometimes the way. Good luck to them I say, it's just sometimes a bit depressing that things are held up somehow. Dan Brown was standard airport fare that somehow got itself talked about enough to be self marketing. JK Rowlong, well it's not her fault and good luck to her too, it's just if anybody tells me to read it, ofthat I have no imagination, or that it's great she's encouraging reading amongst the young, I'm going to wish very hard for a piano to drop from the sky on to their heads.

Ace of Base 50 million albums, popped by the Spice Girls, an utterly depressing 55 million. Zig a bloody zig Aaaaaaaaaaah!!! Indeed!