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> The lease does not stipulate not having wooden > floors. However if need be we can add that to the > lease with a no smoking clause then we can all be > happy. No you wouldn't all be happy because your neighbours are smokers. For compromise to be successful you need to understand the other person's perspective and I don't think your grasping it.

Atila Reincarnate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Up on the roof - Drifters ?

Into The Night - BB King

Between a Rock and a Hard Place - Stones

pinocchio Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe I should just rent the flat out to drug > addicts who like to play loud musical > instruments. > > My point is that there needs to be a point of > comprimise. Pinocchio - this thread has gone on long enough for you, as the OP, to be saying what that compromise should be. You came on here asking for advice and you've received some really good advice. The bottom line is that your neighbours do not need to compromise and any "give" on their part will be voluntary and entirely dependent upon your diplomatic skills. Frankly that last comment you made was appalling and if you go to your neighbours with that sort of attitude they will no doubt shut the door in your face and I wouldn?t blame them.

Get Your Rocks Off - Stones

On a tangent - I'm spending Christmas in a smoking house in Sydenham but I don't care if I do smell of smoke because I've had my internet order cancelled for lack of stock so no georgeous stunning red crepe dress for me. Nothing to wear.

I don't think they can ask their neighbours NOT to smoke; that would be out of order. But they can surely discuss with them where there might be specific insulation problems. For example, where I work the ladies toilet always smells of smoke because there is a ventilation shaft leading from the side street (where the smokers go) directly to the ladies. If the upstairs flat is getting filled with smoke then there is an insulation problem and it is better for everyone that it is addressed.

I was more than a little scared Daizie - but thank you. I also nearly got hit by a car on a side street. It hit a parked car instead of me. Came skidding from nowhere and couldn't stop.

I blame the three inch Louboutins I was wearing (not that high). Absolutely no grip whatsoever. I can't say much, it's in the hands of my lawyers.

I'm an ex smoker and I do uphold your neighbours' right to smoke in their home. That's why I said in a previous post to be very careful not to escalate this to a war. Smokers can get very touchy about non-smokers being touchy about smokers smoking. Don't go there. If you want to strike some sort of compromise with them then you will have to use every ounce of tact and diplomacy you can muster up. As an ex smoker I cannot stand cigarette smoke so you have my sympathy. But you have to tread carefully here because, unless there is something in the lease prohibiting them smoking, I'm afraid they have the right to. If you want their cooperation then please accept that you are the one asking them for something so modify your tone accordingly.

I'm surprised I didn't end up in A&E myself to be honest. I walked down Dog Kennel Hill in a pair of high heels entirely unsuited to the weather. Got caught unawares. I'm in Uggs today though so bring on the snow!

How wonderful. The kindness of strangers touches my heart always.

If you can make it into town then I would say Penhalligans. Can't think of anywhere in ED. Maybe try the shop near Franklyns that sells the white dressing gowns and the Creed Perfume - sorry don't know what it's called.

Just home now - three and a bit hours after leaving Holborn. How are we going to run the Olympic games if we can't keep the city going in a bit of snow?

Steve T - you could very well be my knight in shining armour so don't knock yourslef!

Rosie if it was just the one time then yes, fine, everyone deserves a second chance, but be honest, you were a bit slutty with your laundry recently too. These things don't go unnoticed. You need some serious New Year's resolutions young lady.

Don't escalate this into a war with your neighbours because that would be something you might all regret bitterly. The thing is, they genuinely don't understand what your problem is. Only ex-smokers and non-smokers realise how bad cigarette smoke stinks; smokers genuinely can't smell it. I suggest going back to your neighbours again to have another discussion. It is Christmas after all so invite yourself round there with a card and a plate of mince pies (or a bottle of wine) and raise the problem. Some compromise is needed on all sides. It is their home too and it's a free country so they can smoke wherever they want in their home. I am not surprised they don't want to smoke outside in this cold. If the smoke is coming into certain areas in your property via certain areas in theirs then perhaps you can pinpoint those particular areas and agree that they will not smoke there. Is that possible? Perhaps they can nominate one room in their flat as a smoking room and keep the doors closed? If and when your neighbours do eventually give up smoking then, and only then, will they realise how bad the smell is. Probably by then it will be too late to solve this dillema. You have my sympathies and the very best of luck to you. I had a builder working in my house who smoked when my back was turned because he figured I wouldn't know - but of course I could smell it as soon as I opened the front door.

*Bob*, I probably shouldn't ask; I think I might regret it, but "misguided" how?

I'll buy it for you *Bob*. An un-Christmas present if you like. No need to thank me. Px

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Actually Brendan, that's quite a sexist remark. Not all English people are Nancyboys. I expected more from you. Make an effort.

Sorry Moos but if any thread deserves the Lazarous treatment then it's this one (and I'm in love with HoochiB of course - that goes without saying).

OMG *Bob* you're right. I hadn't seen it like that. Thanks for putting me straight. I owe you one. Px

Chick - Woolworths was an American company. Duh! Actually a very famous American company. The Woolworths heiress was married to Cary Grant and they were known as "Cash and Carry".