Sue

Rubbish, innit. Dunno where this enclosed map with the red parallel lines is - I shall chase that up as well!

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This seems to be an ongoing and significant issue. > I therefore propose that, the Social Committee > form a Sub-Committee responsible for the venue > rota for the monthly booze up. The Sub-Committee > should then set up a Working Group for each month > who will submit a shortlist of 3 venues to the > Sub-Committee for approval one month prior to the > booze up for which they are responsible. The > Sub-Committee will then rate the three venues in > order of preference before submitting them for > approval to the Social Committee. > > The Social Committee will then commission a > Life-Panel for each suggested venue. The > Life-Panels will take advice from the other > Sub-Committees which will also have to be > established such as, The Sub-Committee for > Seasonal Affairs, The Sub-Committee for the > Availability of Draught Beer, The Sub-Committee > for the Variety of Draught Beer, The Wine List and > Nibbles Sub-Committee, The Overall Scrumminess > Sub-Committee and the Sub-Committee for the > Avoidance of Unnecessary Bureaucracy (a > sub-committee to an overarching group called The > Advisory Panel on Ostentatious Officialdom or A > POO) > > The Life-Panels will them make a final > recommendation on the suitability of each > suggested venue to the Social-Committee who by > this time will have fallen out with everyone and > gone to the Wishing Well. xxxxxx :)):)):))

Well, this took over two months to come (after a chaser yesterday) but there are two documents on Tessa Jowell's website which are interesting (they're currently the first two on the page), though the letter from Geoff Koon appears to be just passing the buck, basically. Dear , Thank you for your email and I apologise for the delay in responding. I have placed a copy of a response that I received on my website. You can see this at: www.tessajowell.net/campaigns I do hope this is helpful and please do let me know if you feel I can be of further help in the future. With best wishes, Yours sincerely, Rt. Hon. Tessa Jowell MP

I don't read news stories which I can see from the headlines are going to upset me. Unless you are in a position to actually do something about these things, which is unlikely, and certainly you can't after the event, they just provide material to prey on your mind and make you disturbed and unhappy. Cruelty and anger and all the rest of it are part of the human condition, and the news media will always report this stuff because people find it more "interesting" (on the whole) than good news stories. These things have always happened, always will. But - mostly they don't. Let's be thankful for that.

We'll bear you in mind for a gig at the Goose, PGC :))

Of course I'm not keeping a tally, that would be completely pointless :) As if the whole of ED is reading this thread :) or could be bothered to post on it even if they were :)

kristymac1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok, fine, you win, you hate it more than I like > it. > xxxxx Eh? That's not my point at all :) But yes, the aesthetic issue is something of a side issue - though not unimportant, less important than issues of health and safety

kristymac1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And therein proves my point, for every person that > hates it, there'll be someone who likes it and 8 > more people who aren't fussed either way. xxxxx Erm, I don't think you can quote any such figures unless you've actually done a proper survey :)

May cancel me out, but you aren't 10% of the ED population and neither am I :)

The 10% of people who like the look of the fence, stand up and be counted :)

lozzyloz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I hope it wasn't airmail xxxxx :))

Hey flapjackdavey, you aren't allowed to add 'S's , how come they slap my wrist and don't slap yours?? Get Off Of My Cloud (grammar) - Rolling Stones

Have just remembered that at that Kraftwerk thing there were women fighting in the toilets :-S But hey, live dangerously, eh :)

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue - did you go tothat Kraftwerk night?? I really > fancied it but then forgot about it? > xxxxxx Yes, best night out I'd had for ages, started very very very late but well worth it :)

Perhaps we could persuade the barperson who was part of the Krafwerk Tribute Band to put on his laser show there again, it was brill :)) Ooops I mean Kraftwerk (I think!)

I've had a packet delivered today, the postie rang the bell and handed it over, no problem.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > one). And apologies if I said you were discounting > teh bigger argument - it was what I took from your > statement "but that's a bigger issue too many > planes flying low over my house at 4.30am and > disturbing my sleep." xxxxxx A rather bigger issue THAN too many planes ....., I said :)) What a difference a word makes :)) Edited to put in a space after "than"

I stand corrected and bow my head in shame :-$ :)

Wishing Well sounds good, or Clockhouse or Old Nun's Head. Woodhouse a bit of a trek but I guess not if you live at that end :) Market Porter more of a day trip :))

Love Like a Rock - Rory McCleod (MacCleod?)

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So if you are discounting the bigger argument, and > we are left with "I don't want them over my house > at 4:30am", you can't bottle out and NOT say whose > house you DO want them over at 4:30am > > (sorry Sue - I'm not trying to pick on just you - > I think you are making the same points that many > people are making) xxxxxx I'm not discounting the bigger argument! I don't want them over anyone's house at 4.30am! I also don't want to keep rehashing the same points as have been made earlier on the thread, but it's a long long thread to trawl through :-$

lozzyloz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What would you have the government do? > > It seems to me that any viable alternatives will > only come with future improvements in technology > related to energy and transportation. xxxxx Well, may be too late by then, but hey, that's a rather bigger issue than too many planes flying low over my house at 4.30am and disturbing my sleep.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but Sue - what is it exactly you are going to > say? > > I don't want these flights - give them to someone > else? xxxxxx My understanding is that they are coming in a lot lower than they used to and that that is part of the reason for the excessive noise. I think there are a lot of issues involved, both on a local (nimby) level and also far wider, and one of them is what the government is doing or intends to do about the increasing use of air travel at a time when climate change would seem to be the world's main priority.

ianr Wrote: > 4:30 4500 Avondale Rise 270 > 4:33 4400 Avondale 270 > 4:36 4400 Avondale 270 > 4:39 4300 Avondale 270 > 4:42 4200 Court Lane 285 > 4:51 4100 Burbage Rd 295 > 4:57 3700 Avondale Rise almost due west > 5:00 3200 Jn, LL + ED Grove ~ 275 > 5:03 3800 Avondale 270 > 5:05 4500 Avondale 270 > 5:09 4500 Avondale 270 > 5:13 4000 Avondale 270 > 5:16 3900 Avondale 270 > 5:19 4500 Avondale 270 > 5:22 4300 Avondale 270 > 5:30 4400 Just s of Avondale ~ 270 > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX That's horrific - I thought it was just my imagination that they were so frequent. I've also been labouring under the delusion that it was just a few planes going round in circles over East Dulwich :)) Right, I'm going to chase Tessa Jowell for a proper reply to my email .....

I've just looked up the Theakstons web page and it certainly looks as if their ale is brewed in Masham, same as it ever was (Talking Heads) :)