Sue

I received this today ..... Hiya Sue, Just to give you a quick update. I have heard that the mural matter is now being dealt with by our Culture and Leasure unit and specifically one of the senior members from the team named Anya Whitehead. I have not personally contacted her to get an update, but if you would like to get in touch to learn more about any planned works and any potential stakeholder consultation, that I imagine and would hope will be taking place, please direct your inquiry to [email protected] or 0207 525 3552. This matter is definitely something of high priority and I agree with your sentiments that it would be a shame if the mural was covered up. A little chineese whisper that I was able to gain during my pursuit of the matter yesterday mentioned that the artist that had originally painted the mural was to be contacted about touching up the effected area so, it appears that there is a shared view from officers and the local community to try and regenerate the artwork back to it's original state. However, the artist aparently lives in California, so it may take a bit of time to arrange all the pragmatic issues, and again, this was second hand news so please do not take this as the agreed and/or final option. I will of course do my best to keep you posted on any further details and community consultation matters that I learn about. I hope this is somewhat helpful and if for any reason the contact that I mention above turns out to not be leading on the project, please feel free to come back to me and I will do my best to get some definitive officer details.... Kind Regards, B

Yes it was a nice venue. We had two more gigs booked there for this year, in October (Martin Carthy) and November (Dick Gaughan) - which the EDT had been advertising in their window and inside. I don't want to say too much, but you may have seen on this very forum that the EDT is changing the room upstairs into a "Private Members Club" (sic). That was also how we found out that our venue was being ripped apart and that we could no longer hold our gigs there. Yep - via the forum. If you'd like to know more, please PM me. It's been traumatic. But hey - onwards and upwards. The new venue will be good. Sofas, real ale (cheaper than EDT prices), candles and flowers :) And Martin Carthy :) And we're negotiating for some mega top artists for 2009 :)

How come I get tiny off-topic sentences zapped by admin within a zillionth of a second, and other posters get mega off-topic paragraphs allowed?? :-S This will probably also get zapped !!

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I have also been copied into this as a result of my email to the Dulwich Society: Dear J The mural is on the wall that faces down over the playarea in Goose Green (Adys Road end). It has been there for at least a dozen years. I am not sure who painted it but it is/was very decorative and cheerful on an otherwise blank wall. But it is not in our area. I am happy to let the local Camberwell South councillors know what happened: they may be able to have it reinstated. M ----- Original Message ----- From: (name) To: (list of email addresses) Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Goose Green Mural David has asked me to circulate this from Sue (surname) to you all to see if any of you know anything about it. It is not in our actual area but maybe you know something about it anyway. She originally approached Ian as chairman of the Dulwich Society. Regards Jean From: Sue Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:15:05 -0400 Subject: Blake Mural To: [email protected] Hi I don't know if your society covers East Dulwich, but if it does, are you aware that somebody - presumably the council - has painted over a large part of this mural at the end of Goose Green? I am absolutely horrified. Sue (name and address)

I've received a reply from Bimal which presumably has been overtaken by the council statement, but there are bits in it I find quite funny and it does shed some light on the way things get done in councils :)) Hi Sue, Thanks for your inquiry and before I get into the details there are a couple matters I need to clear up in regards to Katherines posted message onto he East Dulwich Forum website : 1) We did have a brief chat however she had very much quoted me out of context in the sense that matters were in hand and that I was leading. 2) Ahead of any decision or forward plan an investigation must take place to establish the following - Rightful ownership of the property : it is suggested that the wall in question is privately owned and with this being a possibility a disclaimer or authorisation must be obtained from the rightful owner of the wall, in order to consider options which I will go over following the statutory guidance I feel must be clarified - At the same time we need to establish which business unit manager in the council authorised the graffiti cover up and created the current state of half mural half blue touch up....currently all managers I have contacted to seek their accountability in the decision have denied any responsibility for creating the current state of half mural/half graffiti cover up - Once this is established we would be able to establish a lead officer/department and identify necessary stakeholders to support the foreward plan - The lead and partners will need to carry out consultation with community/councillors/officers and interested parties based upon the outcome of the discussion with property owners authorisation of "what to do" about the current state of half mural half cover up - The lead and partners will have to secure funding and then the project can be delivered with current options being : 1) Paint the entire mural again 2) Touch up only the bit that has been covered up to again have a complete mural 3) Cover up the entire wall to create uniformity in appearance with the remainder of the property 4) Alternative suggestion from local members is to utilise the space as a "graffiti wall" as this was suggested to be a better option that having a work of art disgrased by constant environmental abuse and anti-social behaviour related to "tagging" 5) Seek alternative options with stakeholders and interested community members for consideration to take back to property owners It unfortunately, is not a simple process, and certain levels of responsibility from managers need to be established ahead of any action. I will not be leading on this as per Katherines assumption, as I will be leaving Southwark council in the next two weeks and I can almost certainly say that the aforementioned processes and legal/statutory obligations would not be fulfilled within my contracted time towards resignation from my post. I hope this is somewhat helpful and as I learn more from the site visit that our parks department officers have promised to carry out today : to establish owners views on the plan to rectify the half state of the mural, I will keep Katherine and relative stakeholders informed as best I can. Kind Regards, B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sue Sent: 23 September 2008 23:47 To: Kotecha, Bimal Subject: The Blake mural Hi Bimal I know that Katherine has been in touch with you about the mural as a result of my original email to her, and I would be very grateful if you could let me know what is the outcome of the discussions about this. The mural is a much-loved feature of East Dulwich - or at least it was, before half of it was painted blue Best wishes Sue

I haven't heard from anybody who might have bought these tickets. I know it's ultimately the EDT's responsibility, but the Goose does not want unhappy punters who turn up to the EDT for an enjoyable evening and then find the event has moved somewhere else. It reflects on us even though the move was not our choice. It's possible the ticket buyers weren't from East Dulwich, as they may have travelled to the EDT for one of our folk evenings and bought them over the bar then, but please, if you know anyone who could possibly have bought them, could you ask them if they did - thanks. If we can't trace them we will just have to leave a message for them at the EDT bar on the evening in question and hope it's conveyed ...

I have emailed Bimal Kotecha (see above) and asked him to let me know the outcome of the council's discussions with the vicarage tomorrow. I'll post on here as soon as I have any news. Won't be till after tomorrow night though as I'm out all day and evening.

I have received this: Dear I've spoken with my colleague Bimal Kotecha in the Public Realm section who deals with this area. He tells me that as the mural is on private property, there there will have been an agreement between the vicarage and the council to carry out this painting. The Parks team are going to visit the vicarage on Wednesday to agree what will happen with the wall, i.e whether the mural will be restored. If you have any further questions, Bimal can be contacted directly on 020 7525 0814 or [email protected]. Thank you very much for contacting us about this. Regards Katherine Edited again to remove reference to the Dulwich Society as I realised the above was not in response to my email to them but to an email to someone else, duh.

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This may seem a stupid question, but why don't you all change to a different surgery? Dulwich Medical Centre in Crystal Palace Road isn't perfect, but it sure as hell sounds better than the one you're all going to!!

Thanks, have shot off a few emails!

This is disgraceful. I loved the mural too, and I love Blake. Does anyone have an email address or a link to anywhere I can add my voice to the complaints? Edit: Ooops sorry just seen someone has directed people to email addresses ..... Edited again: But where is the Local Info page of the forum?? Can't see it anywhere??

Due to circumstances outside our control, the Goose will no longer be having events upstairs @ edt. We are moving to a new venue at Dulwich Hamlet FC Clubroom, next to Sainsbury's on Dog Kennel Hill (see separate threads in the What's On section). The EDT sold somebody three tickets for the Dick Gaughan gig on 14 November, but did not take a contact phone number or any other details, and their name is also illegible, so I am unable to contact them to inform them of the change of venue. If this was you, or if you know who it might have been, please could you contact me by a PM here or via our website www.thegooseisout.com - thanks :) Admin - sorry if you think this is in the wrong section, but I'm not sure where to put it to ensure that people see it.

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mightyroar Wrote: > Big tours suck. I'm going to try the goose is out > next time. xxxxxx YAY!!!!

A few years back I had the worst paid-for meal of my entire (long) life, bar none, at the Dog. Sunday roast. Looked lovely before you started eating it. Every single part of it was horrendous. Without exception. If the Plough has the same owners, then this may explain a lot about the food at the Plough .....

Yes, the quietness has been really noticeable, hasn't it - bliss :)

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Really? I would have thought she'd have dealt with all her correspondence immediately and personally, with an individually tailored reply to each punter :)) Shan't vote for her again then :))

AcedOut Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They do now: > > Dear Mr xxxxxxx, > > Thank you for your email. > > I have written to Rt. Hon. Ruth Kelly MP, the > Secretary of State at the Dept. for Transport, and > I will get back to you when I receive a response. > > In the meantime, if there is anything further I > can do to be of assistance, please do get in > touch. > > With best wishes, > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Rt. Hon. Tessa Jowell MP xxxxxx I had exactly the same email from Tessa Jowell a week or so back :)

Maybe depends on day of the week and time of day you hire it? I think they charge by the hour, too, so may depend how long you want it for.

St Thomas More Hall would be a great choice for the dancing part, but you have to pay for the hire of the hall and the bar staff, and then get someone in to do the catering I guess .....

No station within reasonable walking distance, only two buses - depends what you mean by good transport links, I suppose. I'd say that wasn't great for London ......

The Ivy House isn't very easy to get to, though I agree it's a great venue. It's not well situated for public transport.