Frisco

"I used to get the same service from the old video shop by the roundabout, is that the one you mean?" Wasn't that in the shop where 'Sugar' is now?

"This fair was organised by SNUB not southwark so vent your spleen on us." You misunderstand, if it is my post you are referring to, it is Southwark Council's responsibility to ensure that people or organisations holding public events on council owned land (or anywhere else in the borough, come to that) complete an access statement and undertake appropriate risk assessments. If they were not done, and you were not asked to complete them in advance of the event, then it confirms that Southwark haven't got a proper handle on their statutory duties.

"Wow, 1987, I was only 9. I remember it well though, I was in school (the old St John's & St Clement's) and we were watching how fast the clouds were moving in the sky!" Wow, I thought you were at least 50 Keef, and one of the real old ED stalwarts. >:D<

"I feel that michaels point about the disabled access is much more important than my rant. I would love to see a copy of their access statement and their risk assessment" Fat chance there I think, and Southwark Council probably wouldn't know what these are. Their lame attempts to meet their obligations under the statutory Disability Equality Duty (now a year old) seem to me to be almost nil.

One of my chimney stacks moved and had to be taken down. "I seem to remember East Dulwich got off relatively lightly." I don't think the woman who lived in Melbourne Grove, by the United Reform Church, whose Vauxhall Cavalier was crushed from back to front by a huge fallen tree would agree. The vision of her standing at her gate in fluffy mules and dressing gown (it was ED 20 years ago!) weeping is still vividly with me. The other thing I remember about that day is the is the fact that the bin men went out doing rubbish collections as usual, as though nothing had happened. This was in the days when the Council Depot was at Grove Vale, and I don't think Southwark's direct services had realised at 7.30am that there was a full-scale regional emergency. I'm sure I recall at least one of the Goose Green trees coming down in it, although there was another, not so serious, gale a couple of years later. That one took my fences.

"Yes, yes I know as I've stated two posts up!" Calm down dear, you're not the only one whose postings are clouded by alcohol consumption, you know.

"and spent many months in King's in intensive care." I seem to remember a huge Evening Standard campaign for dialysis machines, following his stabbing. I believe it highlighted that there was a London-wide (if not Nationwide) shortage of them .

"yes unless I'm really mistaken that's Lorrdship Lane north london" Yes, you are really mistaken, it was Lordship Lane, East Dulwich, SE22.

"If you want to live in a clone street, move to Northcote Road!" Last time I went to Northcote Road I thought it had a good mix of shops. ED and LL are very different to Clapham Junction though, so I don't imagine the larger store groups will be queuing to get in here, and I doubt that planning would allow it, or a change of shop types from the other designated shopping areas, such as Rye Lane.

"sounds like time to monitor how these prices take a dive over the next 100 or so days ..." You took the words right out of my mouth. Good job I've got about ?600k worth of equity, apparently!

"The first of these properties was sold in December 2001 which gives a clue as to the date of the demise of what I guess was Streamline Motorcycles (rather that Steamline)." That sounds about right, I went to look at one of the new houses at the back, which were really very big but with postage-stamp sized gardens.

I agree with Mark, and stopping them selling their toasted paninis, etc. is surely enough. If only Southwark Council were so quick to act on other issues, other than parking tickets and collecting council tax of course.

"Sorry, from now on if I want to say anything light hearted, I'll follow it with a Just so as not to upset your sensitivities." That's the spirit, not everyone is a mainstay of the site or such a prolific poster here as you, and if you don't observe the accepted netiquette how will the, sadly, infrequent posters like Fizzy know you're not being "a bit too serious/petty". >:D<

"I expect it was a traffic warden issuing the ticket, I believe police don't issue tickets unless a vehicle's parked on a red route or causing an obstruction." Exactly.

Keef wrote: "Bloody hell, calm down. I was not intending any veiled criticism, I was half joking, and half asking a serious question based on your comments that led me to believe that you might be a police officer, or have some connection to the police." I'm perfectly calm thanks, and I was referring to the veiled criticism of the police in the opening post. Also, if you were intending to jest, there are plenty of 'emotions' available to signify that, which is the usual way on sites like this. Fizzy wrote: "Good heavens, Goose Green isnt the only place where there is the sound of scrapping! I should imagine poor Louisa is sorry she ever posted. Now everyone, calm down and back in your baskets!" You know Fizzy, you don't have to read what people write or the opinions they express. Also, Louisa isn't someone who's generally known the to hold back when she has an opinion to express, and some of what she writes can be controversial. I'm not doubting that the incident happened, or that she helpfully intervened to help the other person, only her reference to a 'bobby' with the suggested implication that he/she could have helped he/she had not been ticketing a parked car. I just sounded a bit 'tabloid' for me, and I'm entitled to my opinion and also to state it.

"Frisco, are you a Police Officer?" No, and I'm not sure that's relevant, but I can see veiled criticism when I read it. "Personally with regards to the police officer, I don't think there's any indication s/he has done anything wrong, they were "on the oppostie side of EDR handing out a parking ticket!!" which suggests they were busy, and may not have even seen / realised the severity of the situation at that point." In that case, why mention it in the context of reporting here what had happened? My concern is that potentially a crime took place and, while it's suggested that a 'bobby on the beat' was in the vicinity, and by implication doing something less important that dealing with this situation, he/she doesn't appear to have had the matter drawn to their attention. No one can realistically complain about them doing nothing, if the matter isn't even drawn to their attention. "As for the old lady who owns the dog, I don't think anyone should be reporting her for anything. One would hope that this experience has shown her that perhaps she needs to rethink the way the dog is walked / let free. Maybe she should even be giving it up, but I think she should get the benefit of the doubt for the time being." That's one opinion, but many may not share it, particularly the person with the other dog who was attacked. "Also, putting it on this forum was not fruitless, it has made people aware of the situation, and obviously we will all be looking out for psycho little dogs when walking on the green." And what will you/they do then? Had the incident been reported, people probably wouldn't need to be alerted and have to worry about encountering this 'psycho' little dog when walking on the green and wouldn't have to worry. Also, not everyone in ED reads these boards, and if you read what was originally written, it wasn't for that purpose, it was mainly to bemoan the fact that 20 members of the public did nothing. "Oh, and what leads you to believe that I take everything on face value?" Well, this is possibly evidenced by: "Why is everyone questioning Louisa over this? Have a word with yourselves!". Of course you may not, but your apparent criticism of those who don't in this case might reasonably give that impression.

Hello Sandra, thanks for posting this information. Would it be possible to put the dates of future meetings on this thread? Thanks.

"Why is everyone questioning Louisa over this? Have a word with yourselves!" I am asking questions of Louisa because she made a remark relating to a 'bobby on the beat' doing other things rather than getting involved, which read like a criticism. It read as being a bit anti-police to me. I'd therefore like to what action was taken to give an opportunity for the said 'bobby' to intervene or to act after the event, as his apparent failure to act has been referred to. Obviously, if he ignored the whole thing, then that's reprehensible and needs to be reported, but we're not sure because his presence in the vicinity was only alluded to. Also, this incident reads to me like a potential crime under the Dangerous Dogs Act, and I'd rather that people reported such incidents to the police in the heat of the moment, than choosing to do it rather fruitlessly on this forum. Also, if you always accept everything on face value, it may be that it's you that needs to have a word with yourself. I'm glad she intervened, it was very public spirited, but it appears that the owner, and the apparently dangerous dog in question, may have got away and that it could easily happen again.

"And even if you occasionally have to park on a neighbouring road on occasion, well... get over it! This is London, not some rural utopia: anyone who expects to always have a space always right outside your door is not living in the real world - moreover, a CPZ will not help you get one, as I well know having lived under one in my previous address, a similar area where its introduction made no difference at all to the parking restrictions and - as others have stated - just caused endless stress and inconvenience, and expense, to legitimate residents." So I guess that means, you're ok Jack

I wondered what had happened to it.

"Or so they have been saying for the last 15 years. They don't think they will need all of the land taken up by the existing hospital (plus large pile of rubble), and there has been a long-standing dispute about what to do with the rest of the land: key worker housing? a school? or luxury executive apartments?" I thought it was more like five years. Dulwich was part of Kings until five years ago, and in the run-up to the Jubilee Wing opening proposals for alternative use were being put forward. Here's the architect's refurbishment feasibility report: http://www.dulwichcommunityhospital.nhs.uk/document_view.php?DID=00000000000000000193 And here is the business case from March 2007: http://www.southwarkpct.nhs.uk/document_view.php?PID=0000000745&DID=00000000000000001659 It's disappointing that there doesn't seem to have been any community consultation information issued recently and the last Dulwich Community Hospital Project Board and Community Involvement and Communications Group meeting scheduled to take place on Thursday 12 July 2007 doesn't appear to have been reconvened. If anyone is interested in finding out more, apparently they can contact Wendy Foreman, by email: [email protected] or phone: 020 7525 2245.

_I think this is maybe why, in answer to Frisco, the other lady did not appear to want to report the incident._ Actually, that wasn't my question. What I asked was, if there was a 'bobby on the beat' in the immediate vicinity (the impression given) at the time of the incident, why was he not hailed to assist? It does seem feasible that he might have left issuing a parking ticket to intervene, and if he was made aware of the incident, but didn't assist, than that needs to be reported. Also, the police very rarely ticket parked cars these days; that falls to the local authority.

I thought that when the current government first took office in 1997 that they undertook to specify that Plain English should be the standard in written communication issued by central and local government, particularly when it's information issued to the public. Plain English seems to have managed to escape Southwark and its planning staff. And politicians continue to wonder why people don't engage with them and with politics generally.

"and more importantly the police officer" Perhaps you should report this.

Did no one call the 'bobby on the beat' issuing the parking ticket to intervene/assist?