Pearson

The Op was not about dogs it was about cyclists manners, i believe.

bawdy-nan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello Sarnge > > I'm a cyclist (not usually in Peckham Rye) and I > find the bicyle bell thing a bit of a conundrum. I > worry if it seems like I'm trying to get people to > get out of my way rather than just alert > pedestrians to my presence. I tend to try to ring > it gently (!) slow down and call out "Excuse me > and thank you" like a mad, old lady from the > 1950's _______________________________________________________ i too would be interested to know what Sarnges view are on this. Ringing a bell on a shared public foot/cycle path would be considered rude by some folks standards (in a 'get out of my way' kind of way) yet the OP deems it rude if we don't ring our bells. I would be most grateful for some clarification Sarnge.

Applespider Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > northlondoner Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Why are so many cyclists so freaking defensive > ? > > Because it feels a bit like all cyclists are under > attack from all comers. Drivers moan, pedestrians > moan, the blind are trying to ban cyclists in a > town centre. And there's little acknowledgement > that the majority of regular cyclists are > law-abiding, normal human beings and don't deserve > the vitriol being sent their way. Or that no > matter what bans/rules you put in place, the > people who ignore the current ones are the ones > who will ignore any new ones too - so the only > ones who end up hurt (and if they will literally > be hurt if the public's antipathy towards bad > cyclists stops investment in infrastructure) are > the good ones... so that's possibly why we can > feel a little defensive at times because *we* have > done nothing wrong but are expected to take the > blame for others. _______________________________________________________ +1

Would it appease the OP to know that i am as angry with 'some' cyclist bad manners, as i am as a driver with 'some' motorists, as i am also with 'some' pedestrians when i am a pedestrian. But not all cyclist, motorist and pedestrians.... that would just be immature and silly!

Freaking defensive?!?! well the OP making sweeping assumptions that all cyclists are the same. So that means you too my 'lycra' clad friend. I have full empathy for the OP's situation and fully understand there are 'louts' on two wheels. I'm just bored of the recent cyclist bashing threads in this here forum. There are as i've said before bad peds and bad drivers too... (I'll have you know i wear Rapha by the way!)

Well your dog pisses me off shitting all over the park. Yup, your dog is like all the other dogs in the world and i bet you don't pick up the poo like all the other dog owners in the world.. .................pointless discussion eh/

sarnge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anybody else have a problem with the cyclists > in Peckham Rye Park? Whilst walking my dog most > mornings, a cyclist will speed past me in the > quiet, narrow Woodland Walk area, startling me > uncomfortably. They do not apologise, greet 'good > morning' or acknowledge me in any other way. I > think they are ignorant and completely oblivious > to any other person (adults and children) in the > local park. Whatever happened to the bicycle bells > when you knew the cyclists were passing? I say > bring the bicycle bells back. _________________________________________________ So the problem was that you didn't hear a cyclist approaching you? And so you expect them to make loud noise to ensure you hear them.. And this one cyclist is an ambassador and voice for EVERY OTHER CYCLIST IN THE WORLD yes? Jeezuz, is this a joke??!! Why don't you just have a word with 'that' cyclist and tell them what you think of them rather than tarnishing us all with the same brush. Thank you kindly.

Very droll... I am only offering advice from personal experience as it worked for me. Only through sheer frustration as the police not making progress. A friend who was not insured and their bike was very special so it seemed like the only thing to do. We were lucky that time and have been lucky a further two time since.. I have posted alternative methods to help recover bikes Will your next retort accuse me of trolling?

My post was a flippant response to Loz and the 'whites-only' shop comment. But there are apparent discriminations in all walks of life, you could argue. Depends on which side of the fence you sit...

zeban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pearson, get a brain cell! _________________________________________ >Charming....You're clearly a superior human to me. I disagree with your post though.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm really surprised you got away with that. Try > opening a 'whites-only' shop with that logic and > see how far you get. >_____________________________________________________ Try publishing a 'white pride' magazine: http://pridemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/SeptCover.jpg

What's up? for sure you need to be careful. PM me if you like, maybe i can help more.

Damian H I might suggest your point is meaningless as well. Who is being discriminatory here? Sianburys aren't as far as i'm aware. Are you defending the lazy parents?

My Grandad grew flax during the war, for parachutes... got an OBE for it too Sadly he's no longer with us so is unable to help :(

This is taken from www.lfgss.com So, what to do: Before a potential theft: * Consider insuring your bike. * Take photos and note the frame numbers. If the police do recover a stolen bike (and it hasn't been resprayed etc.) then a photo of you with the bike will help you prove it's yours. The same goes for frame numbers. You could even take a photo of your frame number next to your face by standing the bike up on one wheel. * Ask your employer to install secure bike parking, where you can leave your bike without worrying. * There's a lot of advice on here about getting heavy locks. The Kryptonite Fahgettabout is particularly recommended. However, be aware that any locking mechanism can be overridden, and the more locking develops into an arms race, the more thieves will likewise tool up. The upshot is that those with worse locks will be more at risk from thieves coming equipped to break much heavier locks. * At any rate, never use a cheap cable lock on any bike--they can be easily snipped. Full locking advice is here. * Also be aware that a lot of thieves steal components, such as saddles and seatposts, or wheels. It is not recommended to use quick-release levers anywhere on your bike in London. They were developed for quick wheel changes in races. You don't need them on your commute. Get normal wheel nuts and carry a spanner with you. There are also special locking mechanisms with which you can further secure components, such as pitlocks or a saddle chain/wire loop. * With a bit of experience in London, you'll develop an instinct where it's fairly safe to leave your bike and where it isn't. * Bikes that evidently look very 'used', e.g. dirty or scratched, are of little interest to thieves. However, if it's a fashionable kind of dirty bike that doesn't look very 'owned', they may think that they can sell it on, anyway. * Thieves' activity is often very recognisable to people living near them, e.g. bikes going in and out of the house all the time. Do report this if you can. * Many people and even some police officers don't know about the Cycle Task Force yet. Make sure you spread the word. * The police offer security marking of bikes. There will hopefully soon be a nationally unified system of bike marking. In the meantime, look out for events at which your local police do security marking for free. * You can also register your bike on the Immobilise property database. This could help the police in case they find your bike and need to return it to you. It is often impossible to return such bikes without this information being available to them. In the event of a theft: * Report the theft. The Met Police are becoming much more aware of bike theft, and the special Cycle Task Force are a good unit to whom to report your loss. Their contact details: Quote: If it's urgent: 07768 928 456 If it's less urgent: e-mail cycletaskforce@met.police.uk Quote: City Police: If your bike is stolen in the City, call the City of London police 020 7601 2000. Quote: If your bike is stolen in the London Borough of Hackney (or you may have information leading to bike thieves operating in Hackney), you should contact the Hackney Cycle Crime Unit: hackneycyclecrimeunit@met.pnn.police.uk See their thread here: http://www.lfgss.com/thread53274.html * You can even register your bike after a theft if you have the contact details. * There are various DIY techniques that people have used to get their bikes back. It is not advisable to put yourself or others at risk, but it is of course understandable why people resort to DIY action, e.g. because the police couldn't help. Hopefully, with increased police action on theft, DIY bike recovery will become increasingly rare. * Bikeshed helps with trying to find your bike on-line by scraping together pictures from around the web, e.g. from sites like Gumtree, where stolen bikes are often advertised for sale very soon after the theft. A Gumtree ad may also help the police. Stolen bikes also sometimes turn up on eBay. * You can ask the forum to look out for your bike. Post on the Stolen Bikes thread. It sometimes works--someone may spot it and can PM you or post on the thread. A few bikes have been reclaimed after being spotted by people from the forum. Unfortunately, the nicer bikes tend not to be recovered. But it does happen. This is by no means complete. Please post things to be added!

Well said

Should it not go to the police?

^ For sure, but the OP fails to mention what time of day or which day of the week, which IMO has a greater impact on the journey over simple 'route planning'.

Nice one Jeremy!

@ Gimme The problem is not going to go away overnight as i trust you accept. If it genuinely bothers you, you have a couple of options as i see it. Other than my previous suggestion, your next alternative is to move. You do not seriously think that the wheels of government will change for this? Look at the protests in town recently for something far more important to a far wider audience.. This is London my friend. Big cities are 24hr noisy places. __________________ lol Speedbird!

Maps are really good for this sort of thing.

^ but have you tried earplugs?

Grrrr, makes my blood boil!!

speedbird = aeroplane :))

^ softy ;-)