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James, adding a further, short phase to the lights would be better and safer for traffic than having to negotiate a potentially lengthy diversion and (human nature being what it is) the danger caused by unauthorised u turns.

Someone may have made this point already. However, it would surely be feasible to rephase the lights at the junction so that traffic would emerge from Calton Avenue into EDG while the traffic coming from Greendale was held at red; the traffic from Calton Avenue would then be held at red while the traffic from Greendale could then emerge into EDG (only a relatively limited time for this traffic would be needed because there is not much traffic leaving Greendale). This would then eliminate the need for a ban on a right turn from Calton Avenue into EDG, i.e. by far the most controversial aspect of the proposals.

Townleygreen, you shouldn't assume that everyone who happens to disagree with you wants a CPZ for the area. So please stop answering such posts with phrases such as "a CPZ then?" - it's becoming somewhat wearing.

People who use the phrase "And your point is?"

In the past Alleyns and JAGS have shown a singular indifference to the coach problem and have refused to use their land for parking. The only way to get them to change their minds would be to emphasise that pupils from THEIR schools (as opposed to any other schools) cycling along Townley Road are at risk.

Spot on, spider69 and mikeb. There have already been comments on this thread about the potential increased danger at the LL/Townley Road junction. And I don't see why cyclists can't dismount at junctions where they feel threatened. Of course cyclists have never been known to jump the red light - all cyclists always ride in a safe manner(irony alert).

I may be wrong, but didn't The Patch annoy local residents by having a number of noisy later night extensions and by failing to respond to complaints about this? If this is true, they must have lost a lot of goodwill, which can't have helped the business.

Unfortunately it's not only motorists who fail to pay attention enough to notice other human beings. Cyclists have been known to exhibit a similar failing. And they have also been known to ignore the existence of red lights and pedestrian crossings, thereby putting themselves and others at peril.

When I was growing up, cyclists always pushed their bikes at a pedestrian crossing, they never rode across it. When did this change? It would be a good thing if the old practice returned.

I greatly welcome this new business to ED. OK?

Why don't they close all those shops and restaurants selling foreign muck and reopen them as greasy spoon caffs, then close the gastropubs and reopen them as old fashioned boozers where you could share a nice pint with Mad Frankie Fraser and his mates? And then invite Dick Van Dyke back to relive his triumphant chimney sweep days? That would show Grauniad reading "lefties" like me.

I agree, RPC, but unfortunately lots of local parents won't allow their little darlings to walk a couple of hundred yards to school because of the risk of numerous perverts grabbing them and taking them away. In reality there was always that kind of risk - I'm retired now but was at school at the time of the Moors Murderers and somehow we survived walking to school at the edge of Epping Forest where no doubt Ron and Reggie were burying many of their victims. Blame the modern meeja for blowing the problem out of proportion.

Sandyman, unfortunately this wouldn't work because under the proposals there would be only one lane for cars coming from Townley Road into ED Grove, while there are two lanes for cars coming from ED Grove to the Redpost Hill junction, where a green filter right hand turn is feasible. Any officer report on the proposals should spell out where they think that the traffic that won't be able to turn right any more will go and the effect that this would have on roads in the area. This alone could be enough to kill this aspect of the proposals stone dead.

tomdhu, like you I think that the proposals are a complete dog's dinner, especially the proposed banning of right turning traffic from Townley Road into ED Grove. However, unless I've misunderstood what you're saying, it seems from the plan of the proposed "improvements" that traffic coming from the Red Post Hill junction along ED Grove WILL be able to travel straight across the Townley junction towards LL without being impeded by traffic turning right into Townley Road, since there are two traffic lanes shown at the junction. In other words, as far as I am aware there will be no change from the current situation, at least in this respect.

kford, are you referring to the LL/Townley Road junction? On the contrary, this junction does need lights, which indeed is something that we were going to suggest to Southwark. If you're referring to the Townley/ED Grove junction, you clearly have forgotten (or don't remember) the chaotic situation at that junction before lights were installed.

I am particularly concerned about the banning of the right turn from Townley Road into ED Grove. Surely this would have the effect of diverting yet more traffic from Townley Road into LL and make the junction of these two roads even more dangerous than it is already, what with cars speeding down LL from The Plough.

Come on Rolo, can't you see that I'm joking? Well, in part ...

Will you support the full restoration of the funding that has been taken away from Southwark Council and other local authorities during the time that the Tory led government has been in power, if necessary paid for by increased taxes of all kinds on those income groups who can afford them? And Administrator, please don't tell me that this isn't an "issue ... related to Southwark Council" because few matters could be more important for the Council than the implications of the drastic cuts that it's had to make during the last few years because of Government funding restraints.

If I had the courage, I would smear with dog poo the faces of people who do this and tell them "That could happen to the trousers or skirt of a person who next sits on the seat where you've put your feet". I'm not vindictive, not me.

Nothing is coming through to my Hotmail account.

Many thanks, James.

Easy D isn't for Bohemians. It's for beautiful people with flowers in their hair who sit on beanbags proclaiming how working class they are and how we should all support the workers' co-operative run Iceland, before rushing off to Franklins or the like. Easy D? To be followed by The Camber W and Honor O.

Sounds as though they got off lightly. Lynda Snell would have rung 999 and insisted that the Old Bill come round en masse pdq.

I am a liberal minded and tolerant person, but the doo poo problem has become so bad that a good solution would to be to put offending humans in the stocks. That would learn them. Execution, either in public or private, would be even more effective.

I was sitting on a 176 bus today, which was going along LL, minding my own business when I heard loud shouting. No, it wasn't a punch-up but Brian Blessed bellowing over the tannoy calling on people to mark London Poppy Day. This was a good cause, but Blessed's booming tones could have had the unintended effect of giving members of the older generation fatal heart attacks.